Witnessing 101

The single most important thing, we as believers, will ever do aside from accepting our Savior ourselves, is bring His message to others.

The pure and simple foundation of our redemption, the Gospel, is the weightiest subject matter in the entire body of the scriptures.

Having an eternal impact on every single being accountable to a moral standard… what we do with the Good News is ultimately the measure of what kind of servant we were for Him.

Some of us are naturally more outspoken than others, and so that difference means that we will each have our own level of comfort when it comes to witnessing to strangers… or even those we know well.

There is no need to feel disabled by an innate level of shyness, however.

Even the most introverted and non-confident believer should understand that, if nothing else, the Gospel is the one thing in which he or she can have perfect confidence.

What is, unfortunately, often mislabeled as shyness is a sense of shame… a self-consciousness which comes from a desire for personal acceptance the believer feels might be lost if they share the truth with another.

There is a great deal of danger in being this sort of believer, not only to the cause of witnessing, but the entire relationship between the individual and his or her Elohim.

For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, of him the Son of Man also will be ashamed when He comes in the splendor of His Father with the sacred messengers.

- Mark 8:38

We can never excuse ourselves from the task put to us… to be the light in a dark world. Being that light not only means being able to communicate His message to others, but to do that correctly.

There is one simple difference between witnessing correctly and incorrectly, and that difference is directly tied to the motive we have for witnessing the Gospel.

Correct witnessing of the Gospel is much more about the why than the how… the reason we want to tell others the Good News, should obviously be the same reasons Yahushua wants us to tell others.

That every instance wherein we open our mouths and speak His message to another is a moment with eternal impact aught to put us in mind that we are literally becoming a part of that person’s eternal future, whatever it will be.

If we do this in any other spirit but His… a spirit of deep concern, compassion and genuine desire to see someone enter into His Kingdom… we have already failed.

The motive, too often, among believers is far more utilized like a call to battle with the lost person who is receiving the message.

It becomes a boxing match of clever words and memorized arguments, the goal of which is someone coming out “the victor”.

If the lost remain lost… no matter how cleverly you’ve stated your argument… there is no “winner”, instead you leave a lost individual embittered against the subject to a degree which will throw up road blocks in the face of the next to attempt to evangelize.

Remember, the lost don’t need to hear how well educated you are… they need to know that there is a Creator who cares for them.

The correct and incorrect reasons to witness are, very simply, compassion or pride.

The why will always mean much more than the how… but after you have witnessed His message to a variety of individuals you will quickly learn that there are various stands that the lost will take as their reasons for living a life apart from Him.

Being able to understand those positions and relate to how people came to hold them is an integral part of being genuinely concerned for the individual.

The lost must, by the very nature of their “lostness”, practice a certain level of dishonesty with themselves. This being the case… they are not able to be any more honest with you than they’ve been with themselves.

Spiritual discernment is crucial… that ability every believer has to listen to the promptings of the Holy Spirit can tell you much more about what makes the lost person tick than any words he or she will say.

There’s no possibility of putting every individual into a category… there will always be people who defy the usual, but there have been in my experience, very often repeated versions of certain types of unbelievers.

Here is what I’ve learned from them, which might in some way help others to understand their positions and what they need to hear (or not hear) from believers.

The Intellectual Atheist:

A case of seeming like everything they are not. These are those people who are a student of every kind of evolutionary science man has to offer.

They have spent hours reading books, taking classes and watching documentaries that bolster their faith in a theory of macro evolution.

Having done so and properly memorized every term and one-line argument that sounds intelligent… they are literally self-trained to wage verbal war with believers.

That is precisely what they have done… though you will never come across an Intellectual Atheist who will admit that all this time spent was for the sole purpose of disproving a Creator to themselves and others… that’s exactly what it is.

Atheism is a faith built of shaky ground, therefore it requires such maintenance as to seek out those who believe in a Creator and continually strengthen their own resolve by “winning” verbal wars with them.

As a believer, you will never effectively witness to these by engaging in those battles. It doesn’t matter how well you have researched the data and know that the “science” behind evolutionary theory is flawed… you will not convince them.

They have a desire in which they have invested a great deal of time, pride and desperate hope… their reasons are deeply emotional and your arguments threaten, what is to the defense mechanisms of their mind, a matter of survival.

They have a Need to not believe in Him… that need can stem from a place of having suffered terrible trauma which they can not or do not want to reconcile with the existence of a loving Creator.

It can also stem from a deep attachment to a lifestyle which is not morally sound… their resistance to Him is a resistance to accountability for sins they do not want to admit they commit.

Intellectual Atheists do not need an intellectual response… they require the knowledge that there is, in fact, a loving Creator Who is both worth living for (even if it’s difficult) and Who has promised justice to all those who cling to Him.

The Emotive Atheist:

While the Intellectual Atheist uses a necessary screen of shallow indifference to conceal his or her intense dislike of the concept of a Creator, the Emotive Atheist doesn’t bother hiding the fact that he or she despises the idea of an Almighty Elohim.

This person is outwardly angry, bitter, and tends to be a rather unpleasant person with whom to try to witness the Gospel. The arguments of Emotive Atheists normally revolve around their perceived lack of “fairness” of YHWH’s nature as presented in scripture.

These will often accuse Him of being tyrannical, violent and war-loving… they will mention His “indifference” to the suffering in the world and His general lack of compassion as they see it.

They’ll also not hesitate to call the believer a variety of insults for having faith in such a Creator.

Emotive Atheists are usually deeply hurt individuals. There is often terrible abuse in their past… not unlikely administered by their own parents or some other adult who was looked up to or trusted in their formative years.

Their raging anger is often towards that abusive parental figure and a Creator who, in their understanding, did nothing to save them from it.

Witnessing to an Emotive Atheist is normally done best in the shortest amount of time you can possibly spend on it for at least the initial attempt.

Anything which becomes a long ‘give and take’ will only allow the person to shut his or her ears and open their mouths in the familiar output of venomous hatred which is their defense.

Again… these need to understand that we follow an Elohim who is all about love and justice… even when, in our shortsightedness, we can’t see it immediately manifest.

Give them the option to come talk about it with you… but take care not to pursue.

The Pagan/ Pantheist:

Many believers might be under the impression that the worship of pagan deities is a thing of the distant past… but that couldn’t be more wrong.

Particularly in the recent decades, people have been more and more drawn to what they consider “older” faiths than Judeo-Christian beliefs.

There is a certain level of self perceived “enlightenment” in following after a “god” who is attached to romanticized notions of an ancient past. There is definitely a “fad” feeling to the modern adherents of pagan worship.

These individuals normally have very little actual knowledge of the faith they profess in their chosen deity… they generally don’t investigate what history has to say about those who, in the ancient past, gave homage to these beings.

The attraction of worshiping a pagan deity is often the sense of being able to choose among an extensive pantheon of beings to find the “right god for me”.

When that deity is chosen, even the peculiar attributes which are supposedly applied to them undergo a distinct adjustment by the whim of the pagan who chose them to further suit their own likes and dislikes.

You will find most Pagans/ Pantheists are quite unwilling to venture into the darker histories of the worship of their chosen being. Few want to admit that they bow to a creature who demanded child sacrifice or who tends to be more or less indifferent to their subjects wants and needs.

Modern Pagans know not what they worship… they simply have chosen a poor alternative solution to their very real need for a Heavenly Father.

They have done so in the most shallow and sin-friendly way available. A mystical, spiritual “experience” + a designer “god” + the ability to write their own moral code or live without one entirely.

These individuals have often been put off from Christianity by bad examples thereof. They have experienced rejection, poor teaching and a lack of understanding in churches or from representatives of Christian faith.

They want and need YHWH… but they are wholly disillusioned by how He has been presented to them.

They are not unlikely to also have attachments to morally questionable lifestyles which they are reluctant to give up or be convicted of. What they will certainly not have experienced in their choice of a deity is real love and an active interest in their lives.

What the Pagan needs to hear from us are good, sound reasons to logically conclude we serve a King above all Kings, that He is the One and the Only Being called Elohim who is a true Creator and loves His creation.

They need to understand that we, just like them, and every “Christian” they have ever met… are sin-natured beings and that our mistakes are not His.

The Unitarian/ New Age Collectivist:

I consider the Unitarian or Collectivist philosophy to be one of the more dangerous ones.This idea is founded on very ancient roots, but manifests in a very modern way to people who adhere to it.

I call this the Religion for Junior Luciferians.

Completely ignorant of why this concept exists or what its ultimate purpose in the world is, the people who believe in it are pawns of something much darker and more sinister than they could imagine.

Unitarianism might be defined as a separate entity from New Age Collectivism by many to adhere to one or the other.

Unitarianism is an “everything that equals nothing” faith. The lure of it is supposedly its wide tolerance for… whatever. Anything you decide to believe is true is fine… as long as you think everything you don’t want to believe is also fine for those who do believe it.

It means nothing except that you become tolerant of everything… except what is exclusive. The truth being, by nature, exclusive, simply means that there’s nothing you’re not allowed to believe as Unitarian… except the truth.

Collectivism is not much different… it’s just dressed up as more spiritual, sometimes adorned with the seriously weird and fantastic, but it ends in the same place.

You are subject to a concept that not just allows… but demands that you conform to a wide tolerance of everything except exclusive truth.

Those that have bought into either one of these ideas have done so in an outward attempt to be progressive, peaceful, more evolved, and unified in some idea of global brotherhood with all humanity.

The tolerance to which these ideas owe their call to arms is typically turned inside out. At the core of the matter… Unitarians and Collectivists have a desire to see the Truth snuffed out in the world.

They have a deep and even disturbing spirit-level hatred of the judgment they inevitably feel weighing on them from that Truth. As a passive-aggressive means of retaliation… they seek to become the “army of the enlightened” who would eradicate the presence of that Truth in the Earth if they could.

They are the ironic epitome of intolerance and they hold a philosophy which will be a mortal threat to true believers in the last days.

These are truly brainwashed individuals… mainstream entertainment, news, political climate and nearly anything else you can name in society has driven this message into the subconscious of the masses.

Truth is despised to the point of being called (insanely enough) non-existent in an absolute sense.

People are convinced of only relative truths, which is always more comfortable as one can dream up any “reality’ they like.

The mind of a Unitarian or Collectivist is not unlike a mind clouded by a cocktail of drugs, and in fact, you will very often find most of them on some sort of mind altering prescription drug. It is tough to deny the existence of reality you can observe without some manner of intoxication coming into play.

Perhaps some of the hardest people there are to witness to… the Unitarians/ Collectivists needs to be shown what should be readily obvious to them, but isn’t.

Very simple examples of truth they can not change or deny… very basic level logic. Not having a grasp of a basic level of reason means that they can not possibly process a higher logic which deals with spiritual things.

The aim is to not only illustrate that truth is whatever it is, regardless of our wishes… but also that ultimately the truth is Good News.

The Apathetic Agnostic:

These individuals don’t think much about spiritual matters. They are immersed in life right here and now… subject to the flesh in everything.

Because they enjoy and are deeply concerned with the temporal, the eternal is shoved to the back burner of their mind where it is only brought out on rare occasions when great adversity and loneliness descend on the individual.

It is normally just as quickly shelved again when that adversity has passed. Their general position on a Creator is “maybe there is and maybe there isn’t… but if there is, He’s certainly not that one talked about in the Bible.”

The Apathetic Agnostic doesn’t want to have to think about Him… they enjoy a far away, misty idea of going to heaven… something they hold onto for the sake of loved ones who have passed away, but not consciously for themselves.

They generally feel some level of invincibility… as if they, themselves, will never die. They normally like to live fast and destructive lifestyles; drugs, an overabundance of alcohol and promiscuous sexual encounters are not uncommon.

They are often people who either have been disillusioned by how Christianity was presented to them, or have grown up without any spiritual training whatsoever.

Eternity is always far in the unimaginable future to Apathetic Agnostics… a thing that might be out there… but they’ll never get to. The love of all things worldly that they subsequently manifest makes them a ticking time bomb of disaster…. headed for, in the best of cases, a rude awakening.

Since they are people who, for lack of a better term, are “chronologically handicapped” and believe “now = forever”, they find it difficult to concern themselves with what they see as an impediment to the enjoyment of their lives… a Creator to which they are accountable.

The Apathetic Agnostic, more than anything, needs to be made aware of how fleeting a thing it is in which they have invested all their energy.

These are those that require some fear… some sober words of truth about the consequences of ignoring even a Possibility that He exists and that He requires things of us.

The message to get across is that “someday” is some tomorrow’s yesterday and that this is not LIFE, but a preparation for it if we will have it.

The Seeking Agnostic:

Maybe one of the more fortunate groups of lost people out there… the truly Seeking Agnostics know they have a need to know spiritual truth.

These tend to be individuals who have had little to no training in spiritual matters growing up, but in whom that void has sparked a deep curiosity or even a desperate need to find out “what it’s all about”.

Though they are aimless and often dabble and experiment in a wide variety of spiritual outlets, they retain a general feeling of dissatisfaction and emptiness which causes them to keep looking.

The Seeking Agnostic is a good person for the witnessing believer to run into if they are fully prepared to answer the questions.

They have obviously not yet encountered any Christian who could answer those questions efficiently and that opportunity is a big one for us. Any truly Seeking Agnostic person will not be able to ignore the simple and true rational answers which faith in Him affords, if we are competent to provide them.

Anyone Really seeking the Real Creator of Heaven and Earth is good ground for good seed.

It’s our job to sow carefully… to be able to explain why we are all in need of salvation… why salvation had to come in the way it did, and why our acceptance and devotion to Him in truth is necessary.

We need to be able to explain why sin is the destructive agent that it is and why He hates it… where it began and when it will end.

The seeker needs to know why the void in him or her exists that is reaching out to an Elohim they never met… and that He can fill that and impart peace that resists temporary circumstance.

The “Christian” Cultist:

This category might cover a pretty broad spectrum of individuals. I do not define it, however, in terms of ‘Christians who simply don’t agree with me on one or more issue’.

I have found very few people who don’t, and I would venture to guess that most believers can say the same.

Differences of understanding what I call “secondary doctrine” are those which can not undermine salvation and do not constitute “lost individuals”.

It’s a very dangerous practice I see too often, that believers will label anyone of disparate views from theirs as essentially “lost souls”. We absolutely can’t spout idle words like that and not consider the consequences of being wrong.

The Christian Cultist is one who, in one or more way, entirely diverges from the core message of the gospel and presents some other “gospel” as being Christian.

“But even if we or a messenger from the sky preach any other gospel to you than what we have preached to you, let him be accursed. As we have said before so now I say again, if anyone preaches any other gospel to you than what you have received, let him be accursed. ” – Galatians 1:8,9

These individuals adhere to their choice of scripture… but subtract the elements with which they are not satisfied.

When this touches the core of the message… YHWH’s intervention on Earth as the physically embodied Messiah, the death of Yahushua, His bodily resurrection or His ascension which is the hope of His people, the message is entirely defiled and becomes something other than Christian.

Many examples of Christian Cult groups like Jehovah’s Witnesses, Mormons and Christian Scientists are under the control of leadership who practice a method of leading their flock in one understanding of their faith while holding a “secret” understanding of the roots of their belief to themselves.

The leadership understands that the religion they practice is not Christian… it’s only the lay people of the congregation who are kept unaware of that fact.

Often Christian Cultists have either been raised in the faith they are in or they were drawn into it as scripturally unlearned individuals who were seeking something genuine.

Since most of these groups do not encourage reading or studying scripture itself, and offer alternate texts and teachings to the bible, the adherent is usually entirely convinced of the righteousness of his or her faith.

Witnessing to these necessitates making them aware of what actual scripture actually says.

It’s not effective to bring your favorite English translation of the bible into such an endeavor because there is no clear way of proving the superiority of one translation over another by the use of those texts alone.

One needs to go a little further and provide concordance definitions of original words which can shed light on the meaning of scripture without an argument over one translation versus another.

The Spiritist/ Occultist:

One should be well versed in spiritual warfare before treading some of the more dangerous ground of witnessing.

Though most Spiritists or Occultists whom you’re likely to come across are simply dabblers in such things… there are very some serious individuals who have made a life’s endeavor of living with one foot in the Devil’s realm.

Occult practitioners are those individuals who call upon the power and knowledge of demons and fallen angels to manipulate the world around them in whatever fashion seems to them to benefit their goals.

This is a costly practice for them… though most who begin dabbling in it take a very reckless and childish view of those consequences, assuming that they are the ones who have control of the affair.

Save for a few who have only played with such things a short time and been very fortunate… you will hardly meet an occultist who has not become possessed or attached to by an evil entity.

The great draw of spiritism is the lure of power. Being able to manipulate natural life through the use of supernatural means is the stuff of every kid’s fantasy (thanks to Disney).

Having that “edge” against the average mortal is a most attractive prospect… attractive enough to sometimes Literally sell one’s soul to the Devil.

Not every occult practitioner… and very few dabbling individuals… will claim to be calling on the devil or any negative forces.

Most would like to believe, and hence convince themselves, that they have the ability to only call upon “good” spirits… and they rarely ask themselves if spirits could convincingly lie to them.

The more adept occultists are people that the average Joe is not likely to meet… these are people in places of great power and influence, who have come by wealth and worldly favor through their arts.

If ever one does have a chance to speak to them, you might find it next to impossible to speak to a real human being through the web of demonic spirits that have attached themselves to them.

It’s advisable to precede witnessing to an Occultist with a prayer… one that binds and silences every influence apart from the Holy Spirit.

Dabbling Occultists need reasonable and very sober words that sensibly explain the horrific consequences of being utterly possessed and enslaved by an enemy who is quite capable of lying.

The adept occultist no doubt has already realized the pitfalls… but often sees no means of escape or a way to relinquish that worldly power. These need to know that we serve an Elohim that practices an amazing grace, and that there is an escape, even from the full force of hell.

All Occultists need to understand that the world is full of temporary things… and the only thing worth living for is what is eternal.

The Satanist:

The mention of “Satanists” to many believers invokes a concept of “the worst of the worst”.

Though, (depending on what kind of Satanism one is referring to) there are some practitioners who are very deeply involved in some very dark things, there are many Satanists who are no more than hedonists who have made a religion of their selfishness, and use Satan as a symbolic, not literal, figurehead.

The Satanist, of whatever ilk, is someone who holds a deep resentment for YHWH. Most Satanists of a hedonistic sort begin their venture into such a religion through some manner of traumatic or disillusioning experience which makes them mistrust or hate YHWH.

The Satanist of the more literal type is quite often born into the scene by way of a family who has gained a powerful position through their practice.

Children born to Satanic families are almost always very damaged and not unlikely have been put through an intense, lifelong ordeal of producing in them a dissociative identity.

Unfortunately many of these individuals are caught up in a life that they have only broken memories of, and very little chance of escape from without divine intervention. These are the individuals who become the unknowing patsies of black op government projects and perpetrators of mass murders.

The Hedonistic Satanist is a mere dabbler… he or she is normally a very desperate and needy soul who very much wants to believe in better things than the life they lead.

They want to know He cares… even though they might entirely deny His existence. There is a place inside them that realized YHWH exists since it is impossible to hate anyone who does not… and they require someone to be the example to them of what He is really about.

The Literal Satanist is a much more difficult individual to reach. Chances are you are dealing with someone who has parts of their psyche programmed to respond with hostility, violence or escape back to their “handlers” in the event of anyone attempting to usurp their “system”.

Be very cautious… some of these include programs which will literally “self destruct” (suicide) the person in such an event. Witnessing to these should be done with a group of faithful believers who are well trained in dealing with DID/ SRA victims.

The Luciferian:

Perhaps the most unlikely lost individual you are to meet, simply due to the secrecy and high position that is usually associated with the belief system.

These are the counterpoint to the true Satanist… they are the servants of the Evil One, who disguise themselves throughout society and religion as benevolent… even Christian.

Whereas the Satanist practices a dark art forthrightly and is either viewed by the masses as non-existent or a rare, fringe element, the Luciferian is all but unknown to most people because they appear openly in the world in seemingly humanitarian, political and civil servant positions.

There is not much to be said for a “dabbling” faction of Luciferians because this belief is normally only understood in its entirety by the highest factions of their very powerful construct.

The lower novices among Luciferians are often presented with the notion that they are worshipers of the true Elohim, and as that person advances, the lines are blurred and finally erased to expose the fact that the “Christ” that they follow is not Yahushua… but Lucifer.

Luciferians along with Satanists are the ruling controllers of this present world age… they literally have their strings attached to every facet of government, entertainment, economy, commerce and infrastructure on the planet.

The Luciferian faction is in a position to be a much greater threat than the Satanists, perhaps due to their chameleon tactics in society and even amongst their own adherents. One does not “join” to Luciferians… they are born to it. Bloodline is of extreme importance to them.

The average Luciferian has been born into a generations old position… they are born to fill a spot in the machine that will one day bring about the “great vision”… the New World Order.

They are often very assured of the righteousness of their own undertakings and have been conditioned to believe in a very warped moral standard, including a twisted perspective of who YHWH is and the power of Lucifer which they suppose to be superior.

They are likely to view the average populace as property more than humanity, and understand this as a condition which is for the “greater good”.

Luciferians are, like Satanists, often subjected to a rigorous life that produces a dissociative psyche. The parts which are used to carry out more nefarious activities are often hidden from a front alter which is oblivious of those things and can present a very normal countenance.

The same cautions apply to witnessing to a Luciferian as with a Satanist and perhaps go even further… be aware that the high connectedness of a Luciferian can mean that one who is willing to leave their position is also marked for termination and needs prayer support as well as a safe haven.

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We are the followers of a Messiah who is a Rock of Offense to the world. Telling people of the Good News will, more often than not, be received as anything but good news.

Sometimes those encounters can degrade quickly into hostility and an evident attitude of rejection. It’s never good to proceed past the point of clear rejection… the point of witnessing is compassion, when your message carries on past where it has been thrown aside and trampled, you are no longer doing a service of compassion.

Remember… there is an eternal impact to that rejection every time it occurs… when the answer is clearly no, we don’t want to compound the condemnation with further rejection.

We might leave it lie for the time and present it again later… allowing for a different mood or mind set. Two rejections on two occasions is normally the finale for me. After our words have been rejected… our witnessing to that individual should be confined to using our lives as examples in action.

All we can do is sow the seed… YHWH alone can give the increase. Pray He leads us to good ground.

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4 Responses to “Witnessing 101”

  1. Intellectual atheism, according to you, stems from one of two things:
    A) “…having suffered terrible trauma which they can not or do not want to reconcile with the existence of a loving Creator,”
    or B) “a deep attachment to a lifestyle which is not morally sound.”

    Your emotive atheist’s [lack of] beliefs stem from a tyrannical god.

    I for one think it is unfair for you to lump atheists into these two categories. The second, simply because no real atheist hates the “unfair,” tyrannical god. We simply do not believe in gods; tyrannical or otherwise. We would no more believe in a loving, peaceful god than yours. The first category is unfair because you’re making some pretty huge assumptions. First, about the atheists’ lives and second, about their actions.

    Take me as an example. I grew up fairly normally; actually, both of my parents call themselves Christian (though I don’t know that they necessarily adhere to the Christian beliefs based on the Bible since they’ve never expressed any concern about their children burning in a fiery pit for eternity). I was always treated well and never hurt myself more than any other typical kid in Suburbia. I lost some pets I loved, but who hasn’t? Nobody really close to me has passed away so I’ve never had a “Why, God, why?” moment. I grew up just fine, did well in school, married [a woman] and make regular donations to some very wonderful charities. Where’s the trauma? Where’s the morally unsound lifestyle? In fact, I believe that if there were actually a god out there who respected ethical, generous behavior, he’d be quite fond of me.

    Unfortunately (for those who wish to push religion on me) I turned out to be a very reasonable person, and I just happen to prefer logic and evidence over faith and hearsay.

    • Hello A. Dave…

      At the beginning of this article i stated this:

      “There’s no possibility of putting every individual into a category… there will always be people who defy the usual, but there have been in my experience, very often repeated versions of certain types of unbelievers.”

      But i expected someone to overlook it…

      Not everyone fits any “type”, but this is what i can say about your decision, based on what you’ve said, in particular…

      You say: “no real atheist hates the “unfair,” tyrannical god. We simply do not believe in gods; tyrannical or otherwise.” In a sense i agree with you. Atheist is what individuals who claim a non belief in a Creator call themselves, but i would venture to say that there is really no such thing. No one feels any great need to assert their non belief in anything they truly consider a fairytale…. so the operative word here is “real” atheist. I’m pretty certain i’ve never met one and i’m not sure that they aren’t a myth.

      I take your word for it that you had a happy childhood….i can’t comment on your parent’s faith since i have never met them, but you ask “where is the morally unsound lifestyle?” and comment that “In fact, I believe that if there were actually a god out there who respected ethical, generous behavior, he’d be quite fond of me.” …that’s where you’re wrong.

      All of us are morally unsound by default…including you, and none of us measure up to our Creator’s standard. Good deeds and having not committed what we consider to be great crimes against humanity is not equivalent to being sinless. We all have sinned, we all fall short and this is what many do not want to believe about themselves, and further, that rectifying this situation is not within our own power.

      “Unfortunately (for those who wish to push religion on me) I turned out to be a very reasonable person, and I just happen to prefer logic and evidence over faith and hearsay.”

      It’s not unfortunate for them…or me, as the case may be. We’re doing what we’re commanded to do and we care what becomes of you, but in the end, we’re not the ones less fortunate for those who won’t hear.

      I believe in logic and reason…i believe in dismissing desires, opinions (even so-called expert opinions) and emotion when looking for what’s true. I believe in a truth that stands in spite of what i want it to be, i believe in weighing the evidences i can weigh and not those presented by parties i have never met (including professionals), no matter how many agree with them. Complete objectivity or striving as close as you can possibly get is the only good way to look for reality. Still, it’s all only ever confirmed the undeniable pressence of a Creator.

      Peace,

      Cyprium

      • No one feels any great need to assert their non belief in anything they truly consider a fairytale.

        This is a falsehood. Religion has a great impact on our world and everybody in it, whether they are religious or not. It is necessary for us to assert our nonbelief and speak out against religion because our lives are being affected every day by what we consider a fairytale. If people really felt threatened by the belief in the Loch Ness Monster (not by the monster itself, mind you, but by the belief in it) then surely there would be a word for the nonbelief in it. Religion is real; there’s no denying that. Also, it is impactful (whether in a positive manner or otherwise). That does not make it correct.

        …none of us measure up to our Creator’s standard

        Says you. But that’s another thing I admittedly fail to understand. If you want to believe in something that can never be satisfied, be my guest. I’ve had ex-girlfriends like that. The difference, however, is that none of them were worthy of any sort of worship. But so how am I any different than somebody who does believe in a god? And how is that a fair standard by which to determine why somebody would not believe in a god? You seem to be of the impression that belief is a choice. Do me a favor: try as hard as you can for five minutes to believe in unicorns. I mean, really believe. Couldn’t do it, could you?

        We’re doing what we’re commanded to do and we care what becomes of you, but in the end, we’re not the ones less fortunate for those who won’t hear.

        When I said it was unfortunate, I meant insofar as the fact that religious people seem absolutely determined to convert the nonreligious. As you said, you’re commanded to do so. Yet when it comes to people like me, you fail to do what you’ve ben commanded to do. The only unfortunate one here is you. But I guess you don’t really care that much, after all. Because in the end you’re fine with my eternal damnation.

        I guess if you cared to add another category of atheists to your list, I’d fall under the heading of the Amused Atheist. The whole religion thing is just silly to me. It’s silly to have the complete and utmost faith in something, and even love that something, when there is no legitimate proof of that thing existing, no necessity for the thing to exist, and no reason for believing it exists.

        • Hello…

          “Religion has a great impact on our world and everybody in it, whether they are religious or not. It is necessary for us to assert our nonbelief and speak out against religion…”

          Religion is precisely what you’re practicing….and you’re evangelizing for it (by your own admission). Your form of religion has much more in common with Buddhism, Hinduism or Wicca than Christianity ever could because all of those religions (atheism included) relies on something that Christianity opposes…. reliance on one’s own self and abilities. How often do you debate a Buddhist about the reality of Buddha?

          You won’t see the eradication of Christianity in the world, nor the eradication of pagan religion during this age. On one hand you’re up against the Creator…on the other hand you’re up against the most powerful, wealthy and influential people on the planet. If you have ever supposed secular atheism to be the default of governments, media or school systems, you perhaps will want to dig into that issue deeper and research the matter. Those that do the moving and shaking in the world are not atheists nor ever will be…they believe very strongly in a spiritual reality (albeit an evil spirituality) and serve it Quite Religiously. Atheism is their creation for the purpose of diverting people’s attention from the truth of the matter.

          “If you want to believe in something that can never be satisfied, be my guest.”

          I don’t believe in something that can never be satisfied…. i trust in a Creator who has established the means by which He can be satisfied… the sacrifice of Messiah by which we are justified. A perfect Creator should not reasonably be expected to have a standard less than perfection. I see no reason that i should pout that i couldn’t do it “all by myself” when He’s been merciful enough to grant me a way.

          “Do me a favor: try as hard as you can for five minutes to believe in unicorns. I mean, really believe. Couldn’t do it, could you?”

          Well that might have not been the best example :)

          While there’s no evidence to support the mythical representation of what is called a “unicorn” these days, there’s no reason to suppose that a very real animal was once called that by some cultures. People in general do not invent wild tales with no bearing that stick for thousands of years…behind mythology is often a basis for the story that it became which is fact. I don’t just try and believe anything..i don’t expect you or anyone else to either…. i weigh the evidences without assumption that i’ve already got an answer.

          “When I said it was unfortunate, I meant insofar as the fact that religious people seem absolutely determined to convert the nonreligious. As you said, you’re commanded to do so. Yet when it comes to people like me, you fail to do what you’ve ben commanded to do. The only unfortunate one here is you. But I guess you don’t really care that much, after all. Because in the end you’re fine with my eternal damnation.”

          We’re not commanded to convert anyone…it’s impossible in fact. We’re commanded to give the message as well as we can, we’ll never convert anyone and that expectation isn’t on us. I can’t make a choice for you…your choice is between you and the Holy Spirit. The only way we can fail is to never give the message or in delivering the message with the wrong intentions. You were told not to jump off the bridge, if you do, the messenger is not to blame. I consider it nothing less than tragedy if someone chooses to ignore Him, that’s precisely why i deliver the message.

          “When I say to the wicked, ‘You shall surely die,’ and you give him no warning or speak to warn the wicked from his wicked way to save his life, that same wicked man shall die in his iniquity, but his blood I will require at your hand.
          Yet if you warn the wicked and he does not turn from his wickedness or from his wicked way, he shall die in his iniquity, but you have delivered your soul.” – Ezekiel 3:18,19

          “It’s silly to have the complete and utmost faith in something, and even love that something, when there is no legitimate proof of that thing existing, no necessity for the thing to exist, and no reason for believing it exists.”

          “For since the creation of the world His invisible attributes are clearly seen, being understood by the things that are made, even His eternal power and divinity, so that they are without excuse,
          because, although they knew Yahuwah, they did not magnify Him as ‘Eloah, nor were thankful, but became futile in their thoughts, and their foolish hearts were darkened. Professing to be wise, they became fools” – Romans 1:20-22

          Peace

          Cyprium

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