Jehovah’s Witnesses: As Subtle as a Red Serpent

Everyone is familiar with the aggravating visits of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It’s come to be somewhat of a stereotypical joke… how to be rid of them or hide from them when they come knocking on the door in their polished apparel and stacks of pamphlets in hand.

Perhaps it is a much better policy to attempt to witness truth to them instead of avoiding the visit, but many who attempted this have also known how difficult a task that can be.

For all the well-known labels this fringe denomination has gathered to itself… few people outside of the Jehovah’s Witness faith, and perhaps even not a majority within it, have any really good idea what their religion is about or from where it came.

For those who have been disillusioned with mainstream Christianity (and rightly so)… the teachings of JW can sound incredibly attractive and reasonable.

In the recent years, because of the notable distrust many believers have developed toward Church-style Christianity, the doctrines of Jehovah’s Witnesses have made somewhat of a come back.

With their negative stance towards allegiance to earthly government, a refusal to participate in Christianized pagan holidays, and their disdain for involvement in military affairs… this religion can seem to be the answer to all things that are wrong with both mainstream Christian doctrine and a corrupt government.

For this reason, it’s good to be armed with some basic understanding of the deeper roots of this denomination so that we are never tempted to confusion when presented with it by one of those door to door visits.

Jehovah’s Witnesses have their beginning in the “Bible Student movement” founded by Charles Taze Russell in the late 1800’s, the literature of which was published through Zion’s Watch Tower Tract Society.

Charles Russell 1905

The movement was set in motion by Russell’s insistence that the Christianity of the day was fundamentally corrupt and restoration of a more true-to-scripture faith was in order.

None of these publicly given reasons were untrue, or without merit on their own, yet for all the insistence on a truer Christian doctrine, those which came out of Russel’s movement, as well as the Jehovah’s Witnesses after his death, are unscriptural to the point of having a translated version of the scriptures which exist for the sole purpose of supporting them.

The doctrines of the sect in this day are set down by a governing body which has an authority that is put on a near-equal level with the scriptures themselves… a practice which is extremely reminiscent of Catholicism, which elevates papal decisions and church tradition above the letter of scripture.

The Watch Tower society maintains that all doctrinal change is the result of clearer revelation of scripture… revelation which they are open to receiving, by their own admission, through angels as well as Elohim Himself.

Lay people of the faith are not permitted to question or dispute the “revelations” given to the governing body, and they are routinely discouraged from independent research or study of scripture which might lead to questioning the doctrine.

Watch Tower with Masonic Cross

It is well known that JW do not believe that Yahushua is Elohim, equal and One with the Father…

it is much less known that they ascribe to Him a synonymous identity with both Michael the archangel…

and with Abaddon or Apollyon, the destroyer “angel of the bottomless pit” mentioned in Revelation.

There’s scarcely any need, I dare say, to point out the unbelievable level of blasphemy in the later comparison. It is, in fact, a degree of blasphemy which is dangerously bordering on, if not completely immersed in, the unpardonable sin. It is also a connection which finds itself a well established precedent in Luciferian belief systems where Messiah is purposely confused with Lucifer.

It is less surprising that we would find a hint of Luciferian doctrine in the teachings of the JW when it is discovered that the organization itself has received much funding and support from the Rothschilds, a leading Luciferian globalist family, through the foundation known as “B’nai B’rith”, a group disguised as a charitable Jewish fraternity.

B'nai B'rith Certificate

It is, in reality, no more than a sect of Freemason-flavored Illuminism dressed up as a Jewsih society. Note the all-seeing masonic “eye of Ra”, phoenix depiction, and multitudes of other occult symbolism on B’nai B’rith certificate above.

In the 1920’s, as eugenics were becoming more in fashion, The Watch Tower Society published very blunt statements of bigotry against minority groups, claiming a biblical foundation for such statements like this one:

“It is generally believed that the curse which Noah pronounced upon Canaan was the origin of the black race.

Certain it is that when Noah said, “Cursed be Canaan, a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren,” he pictured the future of the Colored race.

They have been and are a race of servants, but now in the dawn of the twentieth century, we are all coming to see this matter of service in its true light and to find that the only real joy in life is in serving others; not bossing them.

There is no servant in the world as good as a good Colored servant, and the joy that he gets from rendering faithful service is one of the purest joys there is in the world.”

(The Golden Age, July 24, 1929, p. 702)

The only version of scripture which Jehovah’s Witnesses use is known as the “New World Translation”. From the start, it’s hard to ignore the innuendo of such a name. The “New World”, and everything which bears a title referring to it, has been single-mindedly established for the long term goal of ultimate globalist rule. Fitting then, if this version of the scriptures should reflect that same agenda.

The New World Translation was published in 1961 by the Watch Tower society by way of an anonymous committee of translators.Nothing is known about who this group was comprised of other than they were reportedly of multinational origins.

The members refused for their names and identities to be made public, insisting that the reason was to avoid being credited with the translation, since that credit belonged to “Jehovah” alone. On the contrary side, neither can anyone verify the honesty, integrity or expertise of anyone who worked on this translation and it is fair to say that while they might go uncredited with the results, they also go uncriticized.

Charles Taze Russell, the founder of the Bible Student movement from where JW derive is a person who is highly protected in mainstream research sources from too much scrutiny.

If one is to do a cursory, surface level search of this man’s history it is likely to show nothing which is not completely benign and all attestations to the contrary are quickly buried. He is simply noted as a “Restoration” minister from PA.

It is worth noting that Russell was quite eclectic in his spiritual tastes as a young man and immersed himself in a number of eastern religious systems like Hinduism, Buddhism and Taoism.

This isn’t surprising since the form of “Christianity” which Russel eventually founded has a distinct connectedness with Rosicrucianism, a Christianized Occult belief system which grew out of Eastern and Mideastern philosophy.

Russel apparently had no qualms about ignoring the warnings of date setting which are mentioned in the gospels regarding the return of Messiah.

After a predicted date of return and rapture was set and met with failure, he decided that Messiah had indeed returned in 1874, but did so invisibly, and had commenced ruling from the heavens since then.

He further predicted that after a period which he called the “Gentile Times”, Messiah would come visibly and rule on Earth in 1914 – interestingly coinciding with the start of WW I.

This prediction is unlikely to be mere coincidence… Albert Pike, the man famous for having written the script on the three world wars before a single one of them occurred, was a known Illuminist Freemason, and it is not surprising that anyone of high affiliation with such societies would be well aware of the same plans.  Albert Pike and the Three World Wars

Charles Russell was an outspoken Zionist in the Rothschild, political tradition. The in-gathering of Jews into Palestine was a central component of his beliefs and the teachings which he zealously spread at the same time as the Rothschilds were formulating the resettlement.

It was Russell’s message to the Jews that they need not bother with conversion to Christianity, being already chosen by Jehovah, they need only resettle in their land and receive their blessing.

Without a doubt, this Zionist movement was one of the greatest disservices to Jewish people that ever came out of anything calling itself “Christian”.

Charles Russell's "Chart of the Ages"

You will find any mention of Russell being affiliated with Freemasonry to be hotly denied by JW and the Watch Tower society, and even outright denials of Freemasons that he ever was one of them, but records still exist (at least for now) which name him as being a member of a Templar Mason, York Rite lodge in Allegheny Pennsylvania.

He was known for utilizing the masonic pyramid in his publications as well as the “winged disc” of famed, ancient occult symbolism. His own grave site is adorned with a large masonic stone pyramid monument. He made a public statement on his affiliations with Masons, denying that he had any… sort of.

“Although I have never been a Mason … Something I do seems to be the same as Masons do, I don’t know what it is; but they often give me all kinds of grips and I give them back, then I tell them I don’t know anything about it except just a few grips that have come to me naturally..”

– Special 1913 Convention Report of the Internal Bible Students, “The Temple of Gods” pages 120-127.

Charles Russell's grave marker monument

Anyone who knows the fundamentals of the use of secret handshakes and hand signs by the Masons, understand that its a rather complex, subtle system, not even always visible, as in the case of handshakes, but only felt by where and how pressure is placed on the receiving hand. Nothing of the sort would “come naturally” to anyone never made aware of how to return them.

It should certainly be noted that the surname of Pastor Russell is not an unfamiliar one in the world of globalists, Illuminsits and Satanists.

One of a number of families who’s surnames crop up again and again throughout history attached to secret societies, global influence and royalty… Russell’s family belongs to one of the so-called “elite” branches.

The family name itself gave homage to the notion of the “red line”… the red serpent or rose line which is traditionally understood to be a reference to the serpent or dragon nephil bloodline.

Charles Russell’s uncle, William Huntington Russell, is in fact, the co-founder of the infamous Yale society known as “Skull and Bones”. The original founder and trustee of Yale college was also a Russell.

The peculiar occult interests of Russell were not entirely obscured from his followers and he recommended some reading which is a view into his questionable philosophies.

A book entitled “Angels and Women”, which he supervised the editing of, was dictated to a spiritual medium by a fallen angel.

He insisted that the contents were still of benefit to others because there were biblical truths contained in it, in spite of the fact the source of the material was an evil entity.

Russell’s successor, Joseph Franklin Rutherford, only pushed the boundaries of acceptable doctrine further, revising many of those left by his predecessor.

In spite of Russell’s strong Zionist persuasion, Rutherford eventually veered from that so far as to become pointedly anti-Semitic. He began the publication “Golden Age Magazine”… the name of which will throw up a red flag for anyone familiar with occult lingo. The name derives directly out of the Crowley styled Thelemic philosophy “Secret Teachings of the Golden Dawn”. The term “Golden Dawn” itself referring to the arrival of a New World Order.

Clayton J. Woodworth, editor of The Golden Age, writing a commentary on Revelation for the publication called The Finished Mystery, claimed to have been the victim of demonic influence during the process.

“I came directly under the influence of evil spirits, so much so that for three days I was as completely under demonical control as was Mrs. Eddy when she wrote “Science and Health.”

– Thirteenth Souvenir Convention Report, p. 274

Rutherford continued Russell’s disturbing reliance upon spiritual mediums and demonic messages to give “good” information, claiming that “honest demons” were helping humanity come closer to the “secret of life”.

The name of the Watch Tower Society itself is not original to Jehovah’s Witnesses. The term is well known in Hermetic occult practices or so-called “Enochian” magic as a station of one of four spirit guardians… namely Watchers, over one of the four cardinal directions. These “Watchtowers” are invoked during ritual magic and coincide to certain stars; Fomalhaut, Aldebaran, Regulus and Antares.

The connectedness that the Jehovah’s Witness faith, its founder and its history have to occult practices, Illuminism, globalist goals and a New World Order agenda, should not be ignored.

For those who are already part of this faith, it should surely be questioned as to why questioning itself, or researching for ones self, is so very discouraged. That such a stance shares a parallel with the general long and convoluted trend towards a “Brave New World” should be enough to cause concern. For those who might be persuaded to JW beliefs… now you have some things to think on.

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  1. Jehovah's Witnesses: As Subtle as a Red Serpent « Time No Longer…

    Here at World Spinner we are debating the same thing……

  2. very interesting. thank you for writing this. I was brought up in a jw family. i knew from around age 10 that it was mostly ridiculous. so many of my family are still in the cult. thanks again for all the research you have done.

    • Hello Zoe…

      I’m very glad to hear that you got free of that. Thankfully there is a real Creator who isn’t the “god” of the Jehovah’s Witnesses…and He answers prayers. Keep praying for your family Zoe… He just might open their eyes too.



  3. I studied with the JW for about a year, to find out their beliefs and what makes them tick. It didn’t take too long (after one trip to their “service”, nevermind their insistant denial that Jesus has full deity, and insisting Jesus = Michael) that I realized this was a religion which does not have God as the center. You have to ask questions that make them think, because you’ll get an answer that comes from their elders, or a visit from one of such elders. When I stopped their at-home study program, I wrote a nice long letter explaining why I am not comfortable with their religion–with verses to back it up.

    They are very nice people, which is what gets them inside your home. But if you allow them into your home, work on ways to ask them tough questions without letting on that you are trying to witness to them. I find being an inquisitive student works wonders. It also makes them somewhat uncomfortable, as they note your questions and bring in their elders for advice. They won’t always have an answer to your questions on the next visit, but keep asking different ones.

    This, btw, is a great site! I wondered how they were connected to the occult world. I only just heard recently about the Illusionists–I knew about the Bilderbergs, and the CFR, and the Trilateral Commission, etc. When I was younger, I remember watching a movie on Revelations and it stated that the religion of the Devil will increase exponentially in the days near the end of times as we know it. This number, if you ask a JW, is something they are proud of–the number of followers vs Christianity.

    Yes, there are problems with Christianity, even in the days of Paul, his students would defect and try to create something that just wasn’t right. This is why he states that we should continually test the spirits.. (well, imo anyhow). There are sects of Christianity that are politically motivated, there are sects that think they are God (insert pope), and there are also sects which are none of that. You really have to dig deep and ask a lot of questions. Most of all, you have to let the Holy Spirit guide your decisions.

    I’m not the best example of Christianity, but I also understand things a little better, now, when I read the Bible on my own (which, btw, the JW will swear you just cannot do) and my eyes are opened with the Holy Spirit. Jesus talked in parables for a reason, which He, Himself stated, “so that those who see will not see, and those that hear will not hear.” You cannot see what needs to be seen, nor hear what needs to be heard, if you do not have God’s Holy Spirit guiding you.

  4. ((meant to say Illuminists, not Illusionists.. although, I suppose they can be one in the same))

  5. I am not with the Jehovah’s Witnesses; I am a Bible Student, as was Charles Taze Russell.

    As yet, in all the imaginative arguments that I have seen presented by those who claim that Russell was a member of the Freemasons, I have not seen anyone present any proof that he was a member of any Freemasons’ lodge. On the other hand, we have tens of thousands of pages that have been produced from Russell’s works that overwhelming testify that he was NOT in support of any of man’s “secret societies”, including the Freemasons.

    • Hello Reslight,

      This article did not really focus on Charles Taze Russell being a Freemason other than his own statements about it. I realize there are debates about whether or not the pyramid was placed according his own wishes and on its own it can continue to be a debate but lets take into consideration the numerous indications that he was tied to occult activity of some form.

      Occult symbols, terminology and promoted literature is a body of evidence all its own and is included in the above article.

      The nature of occult secret societies which move trends of religion as well as everything else in the world is to be covert. I would no more assume that Russell would have been forthright about his connections any more than i would assume Freemasons would openly declare an allegiance to Lucifer or that any lodge would claim C.T. Russell as a member.

      Whatever one thinks of this one man, the denomination springing from his teachings is what it is… a very difficult collection of history and doctrine to divorce from occult influence.

      Peace in Yahushua

      • Cyprium,

        While the article is not about Russell directly, there are many direct statements presented in throughout the article that misrepresent Russell, and that is what I was responding to.

        Evidently, however, you have focused only on the first post listed of the link I gave, and ignored the others. Whether Russell was buried under a pyramid, or whether he ever desired for a pyramid monument to built in the Rosemont Cemetery is actually irreleveant — except to show how many in their misguided zeal misrepresent the facts.

        Russell no where ever stated that he was a member of the Freemasons’ organization. The quote used to allegedly prove that Russell was a member of the Free Masons Society, has to be taken out of context. The quote is from his sermon entitled “The Temple of God”, delivered in California in 1913. It is online at:

        Yes, Russell said: “I am a free and accepted Mason.” Was he saying that he was a member of the Free Masons Society? Absolutely not! The context shows that he was referring to “Bible masonry”, not the human organization that goes by the name of ‘Free Masons”. He was using using Free Masonry terminology to illustrate the Biblical building being done by God through His church. — See: Luke 6:47,48; Romans 14:19; 1 Corinthians 3:9,10,12; 14:12,26; 2 Corinthians 6:16; Ephesians 4:7-16; 1 Thessalonians 5:11; Revelation 3:12.

        Russell used no “occult symbols”, although many, by use of human imagination, and assumptions based on what is being imagined, claim that he did. The fact that occultists may use similar symbolism as the Bible employs does not mean that the symbolism itself is an occult symbol. Occultists use the Bible; does this mean that the Bible itself is an “occult” book?

        Russell was not an occultist. Russell was not Satanist. Russell was not into spiritism, occult practices, astrology, demonology, etc. Most of what Russell wrote was about the atonement, how the blood of Jesus atones for sins, and how to apply Bible principles in following Jesus. He spent most of time, energy and money defending the ransom sacrifice of Jesus. Would a man spend most of his life openly sabotaging what he is supposed to be secretly supporting by sabotaging what he is supposed to be secretly supporting? Such makes no sense.

        The JWs denomination has rejected the central teachings of Russell, and replaced them with their “organization” dogma, and a message that basically states: “Join us or you may be eternally destroyed in Armageddon”. This message is almost the opposite of that which Russell preached, since he believe that Armageddon was to chastise the people of the nations, not eternally destroy those people.

        As far as I have been able to determine, no one ever claimed that Russell was a member of the freemasons while he was alive. The first such “accusation” I have found appears to be that of a woman by the name of Edith Star Miller, who wrote a book with title “Occult Theocrasy,” which was originally published in 1933. Her claim that was Russell was part of conspiracy of Masons’ alleged occult plan to rule the world. In fact, Miller totally misrepresented Russell and what Russell taught in order to make it appear that Russell was indeed an occultist, a Mason, etc. Very few, however, took Miller’s book very seriously until Fritz Springmeier and David Icke resurrected her teachings and embellished them with all kinds of other alleged “proofs” that Russell was a freemason, and alleged as a member of an alleged “Illuminati” whose goal is to rule the world. From that, others who hate Russell have joined the misrepresentation of Russell as a Mason. In reality, none of them ever present any actual proof that Russell was Mason (nor could they, since he most definitely never was a Mason), but what they present is their own imaginations placed over such symbols as the cross and crown symbol, the winged disk symbol, some quotes of Russell taken out of context (or in some cases, totally reworded to fit the perception they are wishing to display of Russell), etc.

        Regarding the cross and crown:

        Fritz Springmeier, in his misguided zeal, even claims that Bible writers were under the influence of heathen occultism. Do you believe that Bible writers were under occult influence, as Fritz Springmeier claims?

        Springmeier further denies the basis of the ransom sacrifice as given in the Bible by his claim that there exists Satanic bloodlines, implying that any of such bloodlines cannot possibly be any otherwise than Satanic. From the Biblical standpoint, it would seem to mean that such of these Satanic bloodlines cannot be saved through the blood of Jesus, which would further mean that such bloodlines are not of the Adamic bloodline.

        Likewise, there is no evidence that Russell “supervised” the editing of the book “Angels and Women”, nor is there any evidence that he ever recommended the book “Seola”. The book “Angels and Women” did not exist while Russell was alive, and thus, of course, never mentioned such a book; Russell never made any written statement at all concerning the original book, “Seola”.

        There is NO INDICATION whatsoever that Russell was “tied to occult activity”, except that one use the spirit of human imagination so as to imagine and assume such upon, adding and reading such into, what he actually stated, presented, did, etc.

        For instance, it is often claimed that the cross and crown symbol IS an occult, Masonic, Rosicrucian, and/or Illuminati symbol, and based on what is being imaged, it is often assumed and claimed that the cross and crown symbol that Russell employed was an occult, Masonic, Rosicrucian, Illuminati symbol, and from that it is further imagined and assumed that Russell was an occultist, a Mason, a Roscicrucian, Illuminati, etc.

        I have been studying Russell’s works for more than 50 years; his works abundantly and overwhelmingly testify that he was NOT an occultist, he was NOT a Satanist, etc. For most who are truly familiar with Russell’s works, all such-like accusations appear totally ludricruous. For one who is truly familiar with Russell’s works to support such deceptions would imply that he would do so with a measure of willfulness.

        Christian love,

        • Reslight,

          I didn’t look at other posts besides the one referring to the pyramid because i was under the impression that this is the one you wanted to pass along…the title of the link is “CTR”S Gravestone”

          Accepting that the pyramid is irrelevant…
          What does this mean?

          “I am very glad to have this particular opportunity of saying a word about some of the things in which we agree with our Masonic friends, because we are speaking in a building dedicated to Masonry, and we also are Masons. I am a Free Mason. I am a free and accepted Mason*, if I may carry the matter to its full length, because that is what our Masonic brethren like to tell us, that they are free and accepted Masons. That is their style of putting it. Now I am a free and accepted Mason. I trust we all are. But not just after the style of our Masonic brethren. We have no quarrel with them. I am not going to say a word against Free Masons. In fact, some of my very dear friends are Masons, and I can appreciate that there are certain very precious truths that are held in part by our Masonic friends.”

          I don’t argue that it equals an admission that he is a Mason, let’s take it for what it says in plain text. He has no quarrels with Masons, calls them friends, even brethren, does not mind likening himself to them even if he is not one himself and says that they hold “very precious truths”. If he has no direct affiliation with freemasonry, he certainly has no problem with them either and is in some respect knowledgeable about “truths” that they hold.

          How is it that he receives the same instruction from YHWH that Freemasons have received from their god?

          Isn’t Yahushua the stone that the “Builders” rejected?

          “Russell used no “occult symbols”, although many, by use of human imagination, and assumptions based on what is being imagined, claim that he did. The fact that occultists may use similar symbolism as the Bible employs does not mean that the symbolism itself is an occult symbol. Occultists use the Bible; does this mean that the Bible itself is an “occult” book?”

          Is the winged disc represented biblically? There is actually no glyph or pictoral symbol of any kind present in the bible. There are “word pictures” to which some symbolism utilized today and in the past allegedly refer to. Some are better at looking biblical than others. Many have an unquestionably pagan root and reference. If he meant nothing untoward by it, then perhaps hundreds of company logos mean nothing, perhaps the masonic symbolism of the dollar and the nations capitol means nothing.

          “Would a man spend most of his life openly sabotaging what he is supposed to be secretly supporting by sabotaging what he is supposed to be secretly supporting? Such makes no sense.”

          Isn’t that the name of the game? Have you heard of project Mockingbird? Even our military and government plays that game. Elements of Gnosticism are in many “Christian” denominations…even most of them. It would openly seem that any of these were truly Christian and yet somewhere at its root, it was infected with a different agenda.

          “The JWs denomination has rejected the central teachings of Russell, and replaced them with their “organization” dogma, and a message that basically states: “Join us or you may be eternally destroyed in Armageddon”. This message is almost the opposite of that which Russell preached, since he believe that Armageddon was to chastise the people of the nations, not eternally destroy those people.”

          I agree there have been doctrinal changes. The problem for me is that they both veer from scripture. It would seem that wherever there is an influence of the Gnostic type we get the message that our Savior is not our Creator. It may work itself out through different philosophies in different ways but it comes out the same in the end.

          Whether or not Russell was ever a member of a Mason lodge is not as much an issue for me as what he apparently did see eye to eye with such a philosophy about. He has a pretty staggering array of coincidental comments, symbolism and philosophy which jive nicely with Luciferian belief systems…even according to his own words.

          “others who hate Russell have joined the misrepresentation of Russell as a Mason.”

          Why is there hatred of a man who lived in the 1800’s and has no denomination which any longer represents or teaches exactly what he taught? I don’t hate the man… i believe he was exposed to luciferian ideals and was in many ways taken by them and genuinely saw them as for the greater good. I don’t think a modern conspiracy against him makes a lot of sense or benefits anyone’s agenda. I can point out what’s wrong with JW without mentioning Russell.

          “Fritz Springmeier, in his misguided zeal, even claims that Bible writers were under the influence of heathen occultism. Do you believe that Bible writers were under occult influence, as Fritz Springmeier claims?”

          I don’t know if you’re under the impression that i’m a big Fritz Springmeier adherent but i have not used his material to find out the information i’ve written on in the various articles on this site. That said, no..i don’t think the bible writers were under occult influence…but i do believe some translators were.

          “Springmeier further denies the basis of the ransom sacrifice as given in the Bible by his claim that there exists Satanic bloodlines, implying that any of such bloodlines cannot possibly be any otherwise than Satanic. From the Biblical standpoint, it would seem to mean that such of these Satanic bloodlines cannot be saved through the blood of Jesus, which would further mean that such bloodlines are not of the Adamic bloodline.”

          I don’t know whether or not Fritz sees such bloodlines as unsalvagable. I’ve never read or heard him to have commented on their eligibility for salvation. I can tell you what i believe though…and that is that Yahushua is the great equalizer. Even in the case of the first of the nephilim, Adam was still an ancestor. I do not subscribe to the “Cain is the son of Satan” theory…but i believe Genesis 6 and 1 Enoch which says that the fallen angels took wives from among the daughters of Adam.

          Which brings us to Seola. I was in error in what i said concerning Angels and Women..that book was not in existence during his lifetime, rather it was the revision that he recommended be made of the original book Seola. That information was in the Golden Age Journal…i don’t know if you consider that to be inconclusive because it was written about Russell rather than by him.

          I don’t have a reason to want CTR to have been involved with the occult. If in spite of some things he did and said, he was not so involved then my dispute with his teachings would only be on doctrine. He does have the benefit of the doubt as far as i’m concerned…because the point is that i’m highly skeptical of what his intentions were..not that i know what they were in his heart of hearts. I can’t possibly.

          Peace in Yahushua

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