Archive for deluge

Angels and the Mysterious Sin of Sodom

Posted in 04 : The Phoenix with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , on 06/17/2010 by timenolonger

It is almost an automatic reference to homosexuality and homosexual activity in these days to refer to “Sodomy”. When most Christian clergy refer to “the sin of Sodom”, this is what is normally meant and it is thus usually taught that the wickedness which brought about the destruction of Sodom and the neighboring Gomorrah was sexual immorality of a homosexual nature.

The one, and the only real basis for the connection between homosexuality and the destruction of Sodom is the description of events given in Genesis which follow two angels taking up lodging in Lot’s home. These angels, referred to as simply “men” in certain instances throughout the account, are sought after by the residents of the city (male residents it would seem) for illicit sexual encounters. Obviously the angels were in such a form as to be obviously male… as to whether or not they were obviously not human, that is made less clear.

“Now the two messengers came to Sedom in the evening and Lowt was sitting in the gate of Sedom. When Lowt saw them, he rose to meet them and he bowed himself with his face toward the ground. And he said, “Here now, my masters, please turn in to your servant’s house and spend the night and wash your feet. Then you may rise early and go on your way.”

And they said, “No, but we will spend the night in the open square.” But he insisted strongly, so they turned in to him and entered his house. Then he made them a banquet and baked unleavened bread and they ate.

Now before they lay down, the men of the city, the men of Sedom, both old and young, all the people from every quarter, surrounded the house. And they called to Lowt and said to him, “Where are the men who came to you tonight? Bring them out to us that we may know them carnally.”

So Lowt went out to them through the doorway, shut the door behind him, and said, “Please, my brothers, do not do so wickedly! See now! I have two daughters who have not known a man. I pray, let me bring them out to you and you may do to them as you wish. Only do nothing to these men since this is the reason they have come under the shadow of my roof.”

Men of Sodom Blinded : "Figures de la Bible"

And they said, “Stand back!” Then they said, “This one came in to stay here and he keeps acting as a judge. Now we will deal worse with you than with them.” So they pressed hard against the man Lowt and came near to break down the door.

But the men reached out their hands and pulled Lowt into the house with them and shut the door. And they struck the men who were at the doorway of the house with blindness, both small and great, so that they became weary trying to find the door”
– Genesis 19:1-11

The difficulty with making a sure case for the sin of Sodom being one of a primarily homosexual nature comes in references to it outside of the initial account, particularly in Jude.

“And the angles who did not keep their proper domain but left their own abode He has reserved in eternal chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day, as Sedom and Amorah and the cities around them in a similar manner to these, having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh, are set forth as an example suffering the vengeance of eternal fire.”
-Jude 6,7

There are two important points to notice in these verses in Jude. It would seem at first glance, and without using references outside of the New Testament that we have a very strange comparison being made.

Here is a comparison between fallen angels and the sin for which Sodom and Gomorrah were judged: “AS Sedom and Amorah (Sodom and Gomorrah) …IN SIMILAR MANNER TO THESE (“these” being angels which kept not their first estate), having given themselves over to sexual immorality.”

It would be odd, then, to imagine that the comparison being made had something to do with homosexuality. Did any angels fall into transgression because of homosexual relationships? Most ,i think, could agree that there is no basis anywhere to support a correlation between the fall of angels and a sin of homosexuality, but there is some manner of sexual sin alluded to here.

Cupid : Antoine-Denis Chaudet

The exact reference is to “going after strange flesh.” The exact connotation in Greek is: going after strange (heteros – other, different) flesh.

Ironically, the very word in Greek used here: “heteros” is a root used today in the term “heterosexual” to specifically refer to normal, opposite sex relationships, as meaning that the sexes involved are “different” from each other as opposed to “homosexual” where the connotation is that the sexes are the same: homo= same.

The very root words of the text of this verse are diametrically opposed to the correlation of homosexuality and the sin of Sodom.

What the sin is then, in actuality, is not that we have individuals going after same sex partners, but that they are going after a kind of flesh or body which is different than their own.

This would never make sense simply confined to humanity… outside of gender differences which are, of course, an absolute necessity for procreation, not an aberration… what great difference of physicality could there be to constitute a mortal sin should that boundary be crossed?

Furthermore… we still have the problem of the angels. What do they have to do with any of this?

The connection between fallen angels and the sin of Sodom is made again in 2 Peter…

“For if Yahuwah did not spare the angels who sinned, but put them into the deepest abyss of she’owl and delivered them into chains of darkness to be reserved for judgment, and did not spare the ancient world but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the irreverent and turning the cities of Sedom and Amorah into ashes, condemned them to destruction, making an example to those who afterward would live impiously and delivered righteous Lowt, who was oppressed by the filthy conduct of the wicked”
– 2 Peter 2: 4-7

One might just conclude that there is no connection of the two subject matters mentioned here (angels and the sin of Sodom) It is rarely the case in scripture, however, that multiple unrelated concepts are introduced in proximity to each other in this way, and of course coupling that with the Jude verses, which are unambiguous in their comparison of the subjects… the most logical answer is that the same comparison is being made here in 2 Peter.

It goes slightly further in demystifying the underlying reasoning for the comparison than Jude does, in fact. Here, we might not see just two subjects being compared, but three… the third being the world before the flood and the state of wickedness it was in which brought on that flood.

This seeming third subject matter is not, however, a separate reference, and here is where the puzzle pieces are merged to make a clear and obvious picture.

Cupid and Psyche : Antonio Canova

For those already sufficiently familiar with 1 Enoch, there should be no difficulty in coming to the logical answer as to what sin is being punished which applies to both angles and the city of Sodom.

For those believers who have been taught and rigidly accept the teaching that 1 Enoch is not canonical and therefor not true or acceptable as scripture, I challenge you to rigorously test that conviction against the simplest of logical conclusions one can come to on this matter.

I Enoch provides a concise, consistent and thorough background to the verses in Jude and 2 Peter which simply can’t be ignored for it’s blatant treatment of this exact subject matter and it leaves little room to doubt that Jude and Peter were very familiar with the story described in 1 Enoch, and referred back to it.

If it is not enough that the subject matter is exactly the same, one needs to also recall that Jude himself acknowledges Enoch as the original author of an exact 1 Enoch quote in his writings.

Here is the comparison of the subject of the sin of the angels in the New Testament and 1 Enoch…

The Sin:

It happened after the sons of men had multiplied in those days, that daughters were born to them, elegant and beautiful. And when the angels, the sons of heaven, beheld them, they became enamored of them, saying to each other, Come, let us select for ourselves wives from the progeny of men, and let us beget children.
– 1 Enoch 7:1-3

“Go, say to the Watchers (angels) of heaven, who have sent you to pray for them, You ought to pray for men, and not men for you. Wherefore have you forsaken the lofty and holy heaven, (Jude: “And the angels who did not keep their proper domain but left their own abode”…) which endures for ever, and have lain with women; have defile yourselves with the daughters of men; have taken to yourselves wives; have acted like the sons of the earth, and have begotten an impious offspring? (Jude: “having given themselves over to sexual immorality and gone after strange flesh”)

Cupid and Psyche : Johan Tobias Sergel

You being spiritual, holy, and possessing a life which is eternal, have polluted yourselves with women; have begotten in carnal blood; have lusted in the blood of men; and have done as those who are flesh and blood do.These however die and perish.Therefore have I given to them wives, that they might cohabit with them; that sons might be born of them; and that this might be transacted upon earth.

But you from the beginning were made spiritual, possessing a life which is eternal, and not subject to death for ever.Therefore I made not wives for you, because, being spiritual, your dwelling is in heaven.
– 1 Enoch 15:1-7


The Punishment of the Angels:

“Again the Lord said to Raphael, Bind Azazyel hand and foot; cast him into darkness; and opening the desert which is in Dudael, cast him in there.Throw upon him hurled and pointed stones, covering him with darkness;”
– 1Enoch 10:6,7

“the Lord said, Go and announce his crime to Samyaza, and to the others who are with him, who have been associated with women, that they might be polluted with all their impurity. And when all their sons shall be slain, when they shall see the perdition of their beloved, bind them for seventy generations underneath the earth even to the day of judgment, and of consummation, until the judgment…”
– 1 Enoch 10:15

“From this time forward, never shall you ascend into heaven; He has said, that on the earth He will bind you, as long as the world endures.”
– 1 Enoch 14:4

(2 Peter: “For if Yahuwah did not spare the messengers who sinned, but put them into the deepest abyss of she’owl and delivered them into chains of darkness to be reserved for judgment…”)

(Jude: “…He has reserved in eternal chains under darkness for the judgment of the great day”)


The Deluge:

“Then the Most High, the Great and Holy One spoke, And sent Uriel to the son of Lamech (Noah), Saying, Say to him in my name, Conceal yourself. Then explain to him the consummation which is about to take place; for all the earth shall perish; the waters of a deluge shall come over the whole earth, and all things which are in it shall be destroyed.”
– 1 Enoch 10:1-4

“In those days shall punishment go forth from the Lord of spirits; and the receptacles of water which are above the heavens shall be opened, and the fountains likewise, which are under the heavens and under the earth.All the waters, which are in the heavens and above them, shall be mixed together.The water which is above heaven shall be the agent;And the water which is under the earth shall be the recipient: and all shall be destroyed who dwell upon earth, and who dwell under the extremities of heaven. By these means shall they understand the iniquity which they have committed on earth: and by these means shall they perish.”
– 1 Enoch 53:7-11

(2 Peter:”…and did not spare the ancient world but saved Noah, one of eight people, a preacher of righteousness, bringing in the flood on the world of the irreverent…”)

Here is where we may examine another interesting mention of the circumstances preceding the flood as compared to the sin of Sodom…

Luke 17:26-29: “And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man. They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.

Psyche Crowning Cupid : Jean-Baptiste Greuze

Likewise as it was also in the days of Lowt. They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built, but on the day that Lowt went out of Sedom it rained fire and brimstone from the sky and destroyed them all.”

With these other similar and descriptive verses concerning the same theme of ideas, perhaps there is a clearer idea provided here as to who “they” are in this instance in Luke… a peculiar and pointed list of carnal pleasures which were indulged in by “them” up until the point of the flood (eating, drinking, marriage).

Now returning to the initial description of the angels coming to Sodom where they are put up in Lot’s house prior to Sodom’s destruction… it is easier to understand that the abomination which the residents are about to perpetrate upon the angelic visitors has less to do with gender than it does with an attempted inter-species union.

Though as I mentioned earlier, it is not made abundantly clear whether or not the angels were Obviously angels, the implication is, at least, that Lot knew it and if he was aware there is a fair chance that the residents of the city also knew what sort of creatures they were, and their response to it (unlike the righteous response of Lot) was an unthinkably wicked one… they intended to knowingly sexually molest holy angels.

This is logically followed by the reaction of the angels who, after blinding the perpetrators, make it clear to Lot that it was the last straw as far as YHWH was concerned and he and his family had to get out now… not later.

It is obvious that what had been going on in Sodom for some time which led to it’s destruction was an ongoing practice of species boundary crossing… the question being with whom or what?

Bestiality would fit the bill in some respects and no doubt occurred, yet they were immediately drawn toward angels when they arrived… they were a community very enamored with a “nostalgia” for the wicked, pre-flood world order.

Since nephilim did exist post-flood and thrived in the land which Israel eventually inherited, the objective was not simply to destroy a remnant nephil population, or the destruction would have included more than just a couple of cities.

It might be fair to say that Sodom was involved with an attempt to re-create the conditions prior to the flood socially as well as technologically, a theme which the whole world is set to attempt to achieve in these modern times.

Marriage of Cupid and Psyche : Pompeo Girolamo Batoni

“And I will give to my two witnesses and they will prophesy one thousand two hundred and sixty days, clothed in sackcloth.” These are the two olive trees and the two lampstands standing before the ‘Eloah of the earth.

And if anyone wants to harm them, fire proceeds from their mouth and devours their enemies. And if anyone wants to harm them, he must be killed in this manner. These have power to shut the sky so that no rain falls in the days of their prophecy and they have power over waters to turn them to blood and to strike the earth with all plagues, as often as they desire.

When they finish their testimony, the beast that ascends out of the bottomless pit will make war against them, overcome them, and kill them. And their dead bodies will lie in the street of the great city that spiritually is called Sedom (Sodom) and Mitsrayim (Egypt) where also our Master was impaled”
– Revelation 11:3-8

View Author Profile : Cyprium

+ Author : Cyprium

+ Main Page : Home

+ Enter Forum : The Phoenix

+ Enter Network : Time No Longer

The Cedar Who Fell

Posted in 04 : The Phoenix with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , on 05/21/2010 by timenolonger

There is an interesting section in Ezekiel, chapter 31 on which I have never heard much comment from pastors, or any other believers of His Word.

Though it is perhaps easy to read it as being addressed to a nation, there are certain themes within it which would never apply to any nation or ordinary ruler.

Here we see Egypt’s Pharaoh being warned in a comparison of himself to some manner of great and wicked leader, which is identified in KJV and other English translations as “the Assyrian”.

The word Assyrian in Old Testament scripture is translated from the word “Ashshur”, which is spelled : aleph, shiyn, reysh. This word can refer to the second son of Shem, or his descendants, or their country; but another word exists which is worth noticing for its similarity and possible confusion with the word Ashshur.

The word “ashur” which is also spelled : aleph, shiyn, reysh is used as a shortened form of a longer word – te’ ashshuwr – that is the name of a specific type of “box” cedar tree.

The difference in the words Ashshur and ashur is only noted in a vowel point, and it must be remembered that vowel points are not original to the language, and where they make the difference between a translation which makes sense and one which makes less, it is not always the better option to trust the given translation as the best choice.

A reason that it should be questioned that Ashshur should be the correct choice is in the next few words – and supported further by the rest of the text of the chapter.

“Behold, the Assyrian was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs.” – Ezekiel 31:3

It is here plainly said that a Cedar is the object of reference. Might this not make sense if the translation were this instead:

“Behold, the Box Tree was a cedar in Lebanon with fair branches, and with a shadowing shroud, and of an high stature; and his top was among the thick boughs.”

The symbolism of the cedars of Lebanon is very prominent in scripture.

“And Jehoash the king of Israel sent to Amaziah king of Judah, saying, The thistle that was in Lebanon sent to the cedar that was in Lebanon, saying, Give thy daughter to my son to wife: and there passed by a wild beast that was in Lebanon, and trode down the thistle.” – 2 Kings 14:9

“Open thy doors, O Lebanon, that the fire may devour thy cedars. Howl, fir tree; for the cedar is fallen; because the mighty are spoiled: howl, O ye oaks of Bashan; for the forest of the vintage is come down. There is a voice of the howling of the shepherds; for their glory is spoiled: a voice of the roaring of young lions; for the pride of Jordan is spoiled. ” – Zechariah 11:1-3

“The voice of the LORD breaketh the cedars; yea, the LORD breaketh the cedars of Lebanon. ” – Psalm 29:5

“For the day of the LORD of hosts shall be upon every one that is proud and lofty, and upon every one that is lifted up; and he shall be brought low: And upon all the cedars of Lebanon, that are high and lifted up, and upon all the oaks of Bashan,” – Isaiah 2:12,13

The idea which follows the symbol of a cedar of Lebanon is pride, strength and rulership, and perhaps more that that. The first time tall, proud trees are mentioned in historical writings of non-canon scripture they appear in the book of giants, which exists now in fragments from the dead sea scrolls.

“In the Dead Sea text entitled the Book of Giants, the Nephilim sons of the fallen angel Shemyaza, named as ‘AhyÄ and ‘OhyÄ, experience dream-visions in which they visit a world-garden and see 200 trees being felled by heavenly angels. Not understanding the purpose of this allegory they put the subject to the Nephilim council who appoint one of their number, Mahawai, to go on their behalf to consult Enoch, who now resides in an earthly paradise. To this end Mahawai then:

[… rose up into the air] like the whirlwinds, and flew with the help of his hands like [winged] eagle [… over] the cultivated lands and crossed Solitude, the great desert, […]. And he caught sight of Enoch and he called to him…

Enoch explains that the 200 trees represent the 200 Watchers, while the felling of their trunks signifies their destruction in a coming conflagration and deluge.”

Mt Hermon, the place of descent of those 200 Watchers, sits on the border between Lebanon and Israel, so that it is evident why a cedar of Lebanon is a very likely symbol for a fallen Watcher.

The rest of this chapter begins to look less like a comparison of pharoah with another great human ruler, and more like a historic comparison to those who ruled the world before the deluge.

“The waters made him great, the deep set him up on high with her rivers running round about his plants, and sent her little rivers unto all the trees of the field.” – Ezekiel 31:4

In 1 Enoch it is described as the fate of the women who became wives of the Watchers that they should be, after their mortal deaths, “Sirens” roaming the earth, and their children became “demons”.

Sirens are understood in legends around the world to be female spirits connected always with water. Perhaps here we see a reference to these human women that were the fuel that fed the reign of these fallen angels on Earth.

“Therefore his height was exalted above all the trees of the field, and his boughs were multiplied, and his branches became long because of the multitude of waters, when he shot forth. All the fowls of heaven made their nests in his boughs, and under his branches did all the beasts of the field bring forth their young, and under his shadow dwelt all great nations. Thus was he fair in his greatness, in the length of his branches: for his root was by great waters. ” – Ezekiel 31:5-7

This describes a world government, much like one that will exist in the near future as it is foretold by Messiah that the last days should be just as the days of Noah were.

“The cedars in the garden of God could not hide him: the fir trees were not like his boughs, and the chestnut trees were not like his branches; nor any tree in the garden of God was like unto him in his beauty. I have made him fair by the multitude of his branches: so that all the trees of Eden, that were in the garden of God, envied him. Therefore thus saith the Lord GOD; Because thou hast lifted up thyself in height, and he hath shot up his top among the thick boughs, and his heart is lifted up in his height; ” – Ezekiel 31: 8-10

There becomes little doubt in this section that what is being referred to is not a human ruler or a nation, by reference to those in the “garden of Elohim (God)” and “Eden” – which obviously has had no human inhabitant since Adam and Eve.

“I have therefore delivered him into the hand of the mighty one of the heathen; he shall surely deal with him: I have driven him out for his wickedness. And strangers, the terrible of the nations, have cut him off, and have left him: upon the mountains and in all the valleys his branches are fallen, and his boughs are broken by all the rivers of the land; and all the people of the earth are gone down from his shadow, and have left him. ” – Ezekiel 31:11,12

“the mighty one” is translated from “el” which is used to refer to deity, whether the True Creator or a falsely worshiped being. It should be remembered that the Watchers who rebelled did so much after Satan had led his own rebellion, and Satan was, and is still, the primary ruler over the dominion of sin.

These two factions of rebels have not always cooperated with one another, but in the end Satan is given dominion to rule over all who stand in transgression against the Creator.

When the Watchers were imprisoned just before the flood, the world under their rule became a legend and a myth until this day. People have left that history behind them in a past they do not recall.

“Upon his ruin shall all the fowls of the heaven remain, and all the beasts of the field shall be upon his branches: To the end that none of all the trees by the waters exalt themselves for their height, neither shoot up their top among the thick boughs, neither their trees stand up in their height, all that drink water: for they are all delivered unto death, to the nether parts of the earth, in the midst of the children of men, with them that go down to the pit. Thus saith the Lord GOD; In the day when he went down to the grave I caused a mourning: I covered the deep for him, and I restrained the floods thereof, and the great waters were stayed: and I caused Lebanon to mourn for him, and all the trees of the field fainted for him.” – Ezekiel 31:13-15

The fowls and beasts can be likened to those who have retained the occult knowledge which originated in those pre-flood days, and who strive toward a resurrection of that age, the ruling families and secret societies of the present world.

The ruin to which the rebel watchers came is a reminder before the heavenly host to beware of entertaining pride and transgression.

The rebels have had their bodies which existed in the physical world destroyed, and they have been thrown into subterranean prisons, dying as mankind does, a form of mortal death.

It is mentioned in 1 Enoch how some of the holy host mourned the downfall of their brethren.

“I made the nations to shake at the sound of his fall, when I cast him down to hell with them that descend into the pit: and all the trees of Eden, the choice and best of Lebanon, all that drink water, shall be comforted in the nether parts of the earth. They also went down into hell with him unto them that be slain with the sword; and they that were his arm, that dwelt under his shadow in the midst of the heathen. To whom art thou thus like in glory and in greatness among the trees of Eden? yet shalt thou be brought down with the trees of Eden unto the nether parts of the earth: thou shalt lie in the midst of the uncircumcised with them that be slain by the sword. This is Pharaoh and all his multitude, saith the Lord GOD.” – Ezekiel 31:16-18

The whole world was changed with the end of the Watchers reign and the flood. It would begin over again, with a small remnant.

The phrase “shall be comforted” comes from the word “nacham”, which means to sigh or be sorry for, to pity or repent. These are the whole host of rebel Watchers, “they that were his arm” mourning the defeat of their leader.

Perhaps all should do their own research, and yet this is a chapter which i believe has relevance in this day, and which is worthy of taking notice.

View Author Profile : Prodigal Son

+ Author : Prodigal Son

+ Main Page : Home

+ Enter Forum : The Phoenix

+ Enter Network : Time No Longer