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Ye are Gods?

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“Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?

If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken; Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?”

John 10:34-36

What do you think of when you read the verses above? This statement by Yahushua has become the center of at least a small controversy…but it has based on an increasingly popular concept.

The idea that mankind are “little gods”, or can become such through faith or spiritual enlightenment, is a very old belief – but its popularity amongst Christians is more recent.

These verses in John are very often held up as indicators that this is a biblical concept which even ordained Pastors and Ministers are teaching their congregations.

It is a seemingly small matter…these few lines and the Psalm that it references, but we can not underestimate what it means to our faith to understand its true meaning properly.

The basis of the doctrine which teaches that Yahushua and thus the Father were speaking of men comes from the inference of the words “If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came” being about those prophets to whom the revelation of the Holy Spirit came.

That would seem to be a justifiable conclusion derived from these verses in John.

Yahushua was, however, referring back to Psalm 82, and so we should not neglect to refer to that ourselves in order to understand the full message here.

Psalm 82:1-7

“God standeth in the congregation of the mighty; he judgeth among the gods.

How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked? Selah.

Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.

Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.

I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.

But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.”

Let’s consider this…line by line.

“God (Elohim) standeth in the congregation of the mighty (El); he judgeth among the gods (elohim).”

YWHW is the judge of these lesser beings…the “mighty ones” or “elohim”. These terms are used throughout the old testament in reference to created beings inferior to YWHW but greater than man. It is neither restricted to faithful beings nor unfaithful beings..but is used for both. We might generally refer to them as angels of various ranks but its never used in reference to mankind.

“How long will ye judge unjustly, and accept the persons of the wicked?

Defend the poor and fatherless: do justice to the afflicted and needy.

Deliver the poor and needy: rid them out of the hand of the wicked.

They know not, neither will they understand; they walk on in darkness: all the foundations of the earth are out of course.”

YWHW addresses this congregation with His displeasure at their conduct. These individuals have obviously been given a position of governance over groups of people. Could it be argued that this can not refer to angelic beings because of this reference of governance? Consider these verses:

“For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak. ” – Hebrews 2:5 – Here we see the declaration of a new way of things…the present world must be in subjection to angels if there is a basis for making the comparison to a new world which will not be.

“Then said he, Knowest thou wherefore I come unto thee? and now will I return to fight with the prince of Persia: and when I am gone forth, lo, the prince of Grecia shall come.” – Daniel 10:20 – Here the angel sent to speak to Daniel refers to two princes which he will fight. One has already detained him on his way to Daniel…these are clearly not human leaders but angelic beings. Certainly no human prince could have detained an angel.

“I have said, Ye are gods; and all of you are children of the most High.”

Here YHWH makes a point…these individuals He is speaking to have every reason to be capable of doing the justice that He has admonished them for not doing. “You are elohim” He says…”sons (ben) of the Highest (Elyowm). In the Old Testament the phrase “sons of god” is used exclusively for angelic beings. In the New Testament it is extended as a gift to mankind who are redeemed in Yahushua. It is a term which denotes direct creation by YHWH rather than a natural, earthly birth. Before Messiah came…there were no human sons of Elohim.

“But ye shall die like men, and fall like one of the princes.”

Perhaps the most telling line of these verses is here. “You will die like men”  would be a particularly pointless statement if it was directed towards men. It goes without saying that a human will die like a human but this statement is directed at individuals who would not normally die in a mortal way. It is a declaration of a grim curse on those it is spoken to.

In 1 Enoch there is a prophecy which explains who these beings were….they are termed “shepherds” and were allowed governance over human nations…but they were corrupt.

“Take those seventy shepherds to whom I delivered the sheep, and who taking them on their own authority slew more than I commanded them.” 23. And behold they were all bound, I saw, and they all stood before Him. 24. And the judgement was held first over the stars, and they were judged and found guilty, and went to the place of condemnation, and they were cast into an abyss, full of fire and flaming, and full of pillars of fire. 25. And those seventy shepherds were judged and found guilty, and they were cast into that fiery abyss.”

1 Enoch 90:22-25

The Psalm that refers to these beings constitutes one of many verses in the bible which was stripped of much of the background that explains it because of the omission of 1 Enoch. It also thus allows modern bible interpreters to misuse the message to promote something that has its roots in the very first human sin…and the very first lie told to mankind by Satan…”Ye shall be like gods”.

Since that first lie, man has not ceased to go after the fruits of Satan’s promise. It is the cornerstone of every secret society…every Luciferian doctrine…every establishment of the antichrist system;

Ye shall not surely die – Genesis 3:4 The Luciferian occult teaches that man may attain his own immortality by his own efforts

Your eyes shall be opened and ye shall be as god, knowing good and evil – The occult elite likewise believe and teach illumination, initiation into mysteries and awakening of one’s higher perception. It is a promise of secret and godlike knowledge which Satan has used to control the masses.

What was the first perception which Adam and Eve became “enlightened” to? Their own shame. Nothing much has changed.

Beware of wolves in sheeps’ clothing and the subtlety of the Serpent who will even use the Word of Truth in twisted form to whisper a lie to your ears.

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Mermaids, Sound Weapons and Government Cover-Ups | Updated and Compelling Evidence

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Wondering what in the underwater world is going on? So are we.

Exactly two months ago, on March 29th, 2012, in response to the original Animal Planet piece, “Mermaids: The Body Found, we here at Time No Longer posted a short article, “Mermaids, Sound Weapons and Government Cover-Ups” on our social network site,

With the Discovery Channel’s Sunday, May 27th re-release (?) of “Mermaids: The Body Found,” and the earnest, growing interest in the subject, we have re-posted our original article here on the blog, along with new and intriguing additional  information.

Take a good breath – we’re diving right in to the deep end of reality…


[Editor’s Note]

[Original Article – May 29th, 2012]

This Discussion is posted in response to the video added here:

[This video has since been removed from YouTube.]

As Interesting as the Story Itself are the Facts Behind It.

I have been doing searches on the people and topics surrounding the NOAA mermaid research and there is, without a doubt, a pretty successful campaign to obliterate all information of it from the internet.

First, there is the website of the NOAA scientist, Dr. Paul Robertson.

And the website “The real Evidence on Mermaids, From Dr. Paul Robertson,NOAA”

And the website “Mermaids are Real, Real Evidence From Dr. Paul Robertson, NOAA”

You will notice a similar result clicking all those links:

The only information left on the internet concerning the research of this phenomenon is the Animal Planet special itself, a Wikipedia entry calling that program a “mockumentary” ( ) and various bloggers, youtube members or forum posters speaking on the topic.

[Update:  May 29th, 2012 – Wikipedia’s entry was modified today.  The original entry described the piece as a ‘mockumentary’ but now has been edited to contain substantially less data, and refers to the film as ‘docufiction’.

[Update:  June 1st, 2012 – Wikipedia’s “Mermaids:  The Body Found” page was created on March 26th, 2012, by “User:Reese457“.  The original post is quite different than the terse May 29th version.  View the entire Draft copy on Wikipedia here:

From the Draft:  “Mermaids: The Body Found is a two hour special set to air on Animal Planet in the Spring of 2012. The film follows the story of a scientific team’s investigative efforts to uncover the source behind mysterious underwater recordings and an unidentified marine body. In this film, two former National Oceanic Atmospheric Administration (NOAA) scientists Dr. Paul McCormick and Rebecca Davis tell their story on camera for the first time. After investigating mass strandings of whales, the team claimed to have recorded mysterious underwater noises coming from an unknown source. This sound resembled a sound previously recorded in 1977, called the “bloop”. They also claimed to have recovered 30% of the remains of an unknown creature from inside a great white shark which was said to possess attributes of the human body. They alleged that the marine creature had hands, not fins, and the hip structure of an upright animal. These findings, along with many others led the team to determine that this unknown animal was very closely related to humans- possibly a mermaid. To explain the possible origins of mermaids, the team explores a controversial theory called The Aquatic Ape Theory which provides an alternative explanation to human evolution.”

One of Reese457’s Draft sources includes an interesting piece of news from ““, titled, “Mermaid Sightings Claimed in Israel“, dated for back in August 13th, 2009, which relates the following:

“Locals and tourists in the Israeli town of Kiryat Yam have been flocking to the coast in hopes of glimpsing a creature that most people believe only exist in fairy tales.

An alleged mermaid, said to resemble a cross between a fish and a young girl, only appears at sunset. It performs a few tricks for onlookers before disappearing for the night.

One of the first people to see the mermaid, Shlomo Cohen, said, “I was with friends when suddenly we saw a woman laying on the sand in a weird way. At first I thought she was just another sunbather, but when we approached she jumped into the water and disappeared. We were all in shock because we saw she had a tail.”

The sightings apparently began several months ago.”

The current Wikipedia entry for “Mermaids:  The Body Found” has been extensively edited since the re-release, with the current entry of only 10 lines.  View the article’s edit history here:]

Many of those speaking on it [The original “Mermaids: The Body Found”] have come to the conclusion that it is “debunked” based mostly on the claim that Dr. Paul Robertson and a marine biologist by the name of Brian McCormick do not exist.

They are hard to find, but they do exist.

Here is an excerpt from a document by the Narragansett Bay National Estuarine Research Reserve, which research is affiliated with NOAA according to the document, and lists Brian McCormick as one individual who contributed to the project.

“The NBNERR Site Profile was made possible through the help of many individuals. Notable contributors and the expertise that they provided include… Sincere thanks also goes to current and former NBNERR staff members who assisted with materials presented in this document, but who did not individually author any of the chapters. These individuals include Robert Stankelis, Kristen Van Wagner, Jennifer West, Matthew Rehor, Kimberly Botelho, Brian McCormick, Alan Beck, and especially Roger Greene…

This publication is sponsored by the NOAA Estuarine Reserves Division and the State of Rhode Island. This publication is also sponsored in part by Rhode Island Sea Grant under NOAA Grant No. NA040AR4170062. The views expressed herein do not necessarily reflect the views of the NBNERR, NOAA, or any of its sub-agencies. The U.S. Government is authorized to produce and distribute reprints for governmental purposes notwithstanding any copyright notation that may appear hereon.”

[Screenshot:  Note the web address and document title.  McCormick’s name appears just above the lighthouse picture.]

And here is an excerpt from a document on the minutes of a Devils Lake water improvement district meeting. Listed as staff:

“STAFF: Paul Robertson, Seth Lenaerts, RARE Participant”

and affiliated with NOAA:

“Seid Creek: Green asked what is expected as the outcome on this issue. Robertson said nothing has occurred. NOAA previously said they were going to do a site inspection in March. Follow-ups have gone unanswered. Robertson asked if a letter from the Board would be effective. He explained that this is a construction site that has been filling debris above wetlands. Last year, a lot of it slid down into the wetlands. DSL has turned away from any enforcement action and the Corps never investigated. Robertson said it appears that Seid Creek is a watershed similar to Thompson Creek. Green asked for Robertson to continue making calls rather than the Board writing a letter just yet.”

[Screenshot:  Note the web address and document title.  Robertson’s name appears to the right of  ‘Staff’.]

Why, among all “conspiracy” related topics would this be the one that was so highly attacked?

There are certainly elements of well accepted mainstream beliefs that might be shattered with the knowledge of aquatic humanoids. The aquatic ape theory is so poorly presented that even very adamant evolutionists could not help but feel shamed to preach it and it would not suffice to halt the questions about the accepted ideas of how life came to be on Earth.

That is not the answer all by itself though. There is something else that should not be lost on the viewer amidst the more sensational news of mermaids. The weaponized “sonar” which the Navy had allegedly invented is surely a serious issue if it were publicly recognized.

I am not sure that Ibelieve this weapon is Naval or is an advanced sonar weapon. We know there are sound weapons now and we know they can be lethal. They are not just a threat to wildlife in the Oceans, they are a threat to people on land as they have the capacity to be used not just in an aquatic environment but anywhere.

The USC sections sited on the shut down sites are those pertaining to making fraudulent or fictitious claims against the government. Those so-called fictitious claims almost certainly relate to the sound weapon mentioned. They are working hard to hide this and I wonder what we can do to make it less hidden…

[End Original Article]


Sound weapons aside, for now, let’s see if we can first distill the murky waters of ‘real mermaids’…

If you haven’t seen this video yet, please view it now, and pay particular attention to the shape, size and mannerisms of the curious creatures captured herein:

Now, let’s venture even farther out into the turbulent seas of mermaid evidence with well-known, long-time master dive instructor, Jeff Leicher, as he introduces us to the fascinating Kaiwi Point Mermaid…

The following was taken from Jeff’s website, Jack’s Diving Locker:

KAILUA-KONA, HAWAII – For more than 50 years, people have reported seeing a mermaid off the coast of Hawaii’s Big Island. But the sightings were never taken seriously — until a dive-boat captain finally captured the half-woman, half-fish on film!

Dive master Jeff Leicher, 43, photographed the creature known as the “Kaiwi Point Mermaid” on April 12, 1998, as he and six other divers were exploring the ocean bottom about 20 minutes off Hawaii’s sunny Kona coast. 

“I’d heard about her before,” says Leicher, who operates Jack’s Diving Locker. “Most of us who are out in these waters regularly have heard stories. But I’d never seen her until that morning.

“We were on our way out to the point when a school of dolphins started following the boat, playing in our wake. Suddenly one of the men on the port side starts yelling and pointing.

“I couldn’t believe what I saw. There, not 10 feet from the bow, was what looked like a nude woman.

“She had long flowing hair and one of the most beautiful faces I’ve ever seen.

“But there’s no way a human being could be swimming so fast. She was keeping right up with the dolphins.

Image of mermaid was captured on film as she swam above divers exploring the ocean bottom on April 12. Photo ©1998 Jeff Leicher

“Then she leapt into the air and my heart almost gave out on me. The entire lower half of her was covered with scales and tapered back into a huge fish tail.

“She jumped once more, then disappeared under the surface.”

All 10 people on the boat witnessed the bizarre incident. But there was another incredible surprise still ahead.

“About an hour later we arrived at the point and we were diving. I was photographing some colorful fish with my underwater camera.

“Suddenly I felt something brush against my right leg. She shot by me like a streak of lightning, then turned and came back past me, swimming the other way. I just aimed the camera and started snapping pictures.

“I kept shooting as she broke for the surface and swam away.”

Weekly World News had Leicher’s pictures analyzed by three noted photography labs. All three say the photos are genuine and have not been tampered with. 

The photos of the Kaiwi Point mermaid have been studied and authenticated by experts. Photo ©1998 Jeff Leicher

“I feel very lucky that I’m the one to finally prove to the world what people here have known for half a century,” says Leicher.

“The Kaiwi Point Mermaid is real.” 

Jeff’s Kaiwi Point Mermaid photographs appear stunningly similar to the Coral Reef Mermaids in the video.

More to come…


UPDATE: May-31-2012

What is the Goal of the Discovery Channel?

The initial release of “Mermaids, The Body Found” seemed out of place in the mainstream. We do not usually expect such sources to put forth honest information on anything which involves government secrecy. There was obviously dishonesty put forth in the form the ridiculous aquatic ape theory and the program itself was dubbed a “mockumentary” by Wikipedia.

What is Animal Planet Mocking?

Perhaps the wish that many have to see someone in the forefront be genuinely interested in disclosing some things that we have known or suspected all along. Or perhaps the mockery of real people who have investigated these things and been subsequently silenced and discredited by the establishment.

Regarding anything which is put under the label “conspiracy theory”, the media and entertainment industry has done its job in supplying the skeptics with ammunition against objective consideration of these things. “You watch too much television” is an effective termination to a conversation about UFO’s, Montauk, MKULTRA or any one of a number of other topics.

The sites which supposedly supplied information on the topic of mermaids and the sound weapons researched by the scientists are apparently owned by Discovery Channel, themselves. Why might they go this far? The easy answer might be greed, and that they conducted what amounts to a “marketing ploy”. Incongruous to that idea is the fact that we do continue to hear reports of marine mammals dying in the same way described in the program. We can find marine scientists with the names supplied in it and we are already aware of the technological potential of the US military for weapons which exceed anything called science fiction.

The sensational nature of the existence of mermaids attracted the most attention, though from my perspective it was never the most intriguing point. I was not in doubt of the existence of aquatic transgenics before Animal Plane,t and so what became more interesting to me was “What weaponry would be so beyond the belief or acceptance of the public that there would be such a strategic effort to conceal it?”

The question that remains for me is; “What grain of truth might the establishment have attempted to bury within a massively hyped web of distraction which will remain in the memories of countless people as a marketing hoax?” If you are already aware that the Powers that Be regularly play this game, you will be watching for the little loose threads of truth to follow in the future.

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Modern Nephilim: Addressing the Pink Elephant

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In the recent years, a genuinely good thing has happened in the body of Messiah. Many believers have begun to take the lesser taught sections of His word seriously, and search them out in light of the things taking place in the world now.

Since we can sadly track the degradation of church leadership, it’s encouraging when there’s a revival of basic biblical study.

This has led many Christians to take a second look at obscure prophecies and records like 1 Enoch, Jubilees and certain long overlooked passages in the canon.

Multitudes now understand what nephilim are and where they came from.

I’ve been waiting for the backlash though… Satan never lets a genuinely good thing slide by without having a stab at it.

As often happens when some piece of information comes to light on a growing scale, there come those who set themselves center stage to address the issue and become the loud voices of “authority” on the matter.

The subject of modern nephilim has attracted its own center-stagers… their foremost claimed purpose being to minister to victims of alien abduction and SRA (Satanic Ritual Abuse).

I can’t possibly speculate on the true intentions of those who have taken on this… YHWH knows them, but I have serious concerns with the results.

I also won’t bother to name the sources of what I’ve read. They aren’t difficult sources to find on the internet, and most likely anyone really wanting to know could find out – I just have a personal hesitation to sling names.

Aside from this, the big sources I have found backing the opinions I’ll address almost certainly are followed by many lesser known personalities who have adopted the view point.

First, to clarify my own standing on these questions:

Are there people of nephilim descent alive on earth currently?

Yes. I’d find it difficult to not call the alternative impossible by looking at the Bible alone for evidence. Scripture pointedly calls the inhabitants of the Promised Land at the time of Israel’s arrival “nephilim”. They were not all eradicated. What else could happen but that they absorbed into the world population?

Is there a current resurgence of fallen angels procreating in some fashion with human women?

The evidence says yes. The testimony of countless victims of abduction scenarios, black op programs and SRA, coupled with more than one plainly stated Biblical prophecy concerning just this situation in the end times, must reasonably be weightier than the academic speculation of those who deny it.

Is there salvation possible for those of nephilim descent?

Most people should probably hope so if the answer to question 1 is valid… and based on the following verse alone, I’d answer yes:

And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is immersed will be saved. But he who does not believe will be condemned.”

– Mark 16:15,16

This stand on the subject (particularly in combination) seems to be a pretty unpopular one.

The loud voices in the arena have uniformly taken positions which do not have to deal with extending unsavory notions of salvation to “abominations”… nor having to face any individual with a message of unavoidable condemnation.

The first idea is contradictory to human nature… the second idea is contradictory to Christianity. There seems to be a fence that’s being ridden to death in this matter.

The loudest voice out there has what is termed a “Ministry” that is set forth as one offering a message of hope to those who have claimed to be nephilim, or descended from such.

This outreach counsels those who have testimony of abduction experiences, women who have claimed to have been impregnated by fallen angels, etc.

At first glance, it appears like something its not. The message is emblazoned across the site boldly proclaiming salvation for these people. Prepare to be confused if you keep reading the site though… finally it declares that no such things exist.

It is, perhaps, the most pointless declaration of the gospel I’ve ever seen. It reaches an anticlimax of none effect as it denies the claims of those who have come for counseling. It concludes in a negation of its own existence on the internet by basically stating “nephilim can be saved… because there aren’t any.”

The same group which is behind the above mentioned site, has as its explanation for the testimony of abductions a completely fabricated “vision” given to abductees.

A vision given to the end that the combined effort of smoke and mirrors will result in people who are either 1. rejecting of those they believe are nephilim or 2. people who believe they have no chance of redemption because they are nephilim.

There is no effort made to provide better evidence for this view at all. It’s simply stated as a “belief”. Beliefs, I’ve come to realize, are worthless things to have.

I don’t think Christians “believe” in a Creator, We Know there is One. We have good evidence of it in our own experience. A belief is a whim without evidence, something that just “sounds right”.

On the other hand, there are these individuals who have experienced things first hand, things which are incredibly difficult for them to bring to public light, especially when it is wrapped around concerns of their own salvation. As I see it, no one who has no first hand evidence of their own needs to add their speculation to the scales when the evidence is weighed.

There have been plenty of rebuttals which have come forth from various sources addressed to those who put forth the above site and theories.

These generally take seriously the claims of abductees and SRA victims (which is good).

They do believe there is a current resurgence in the admixture of fallen angel and human, though they do not seem to want to approach the issue of an ongoing lineage of such in the world. There’s a good reason for this… so far I have not seen a single source argue that there is a salvation option for any existing hybrids.

If any of these sources were to maintain that position in light of the possibility of actually meeting any… that would certainly put them in a rough spot. There’s probably little hope for the ministry who would condemn a person because they believed them to be hybrid.

One source neatly covered the issue by simply stating that hybrids do exist – But if a person was even interested in coming to salvation… that Must mean they are not hybrid.

That, again, stands on speculation. Is there some way this person could possibly know the ability of anyone but himself to want salvation?
Even the fallen Watchers pleaded with Enoch to petition YHWH on their behalves. What would make every single nephil uninterested in reconciliation to the Creator?

It’s a big Pink Elephant.

There are uncomfortable ideas in all of this and people really don’t like to address uncomfortable ideas. Generally an “us and them” mentality feels best to human nature.

If there’s no “them”, people tend to feel there’s less to esteem about “us”. It’s having to face the blackness of our own individual sins that makes it uncomfortable to put “them”on equal footing in some way. It’s more a comfort to tiptoe around some glaring evidence, to deny a necessity to address some point by simply speculating it out of existence.

If someone out there Really wants to be a ministry to help these people, it’s going to mean facing the elephant, regardless of what it looks like to the popular mind set.

As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay.

And in the days of these kings ‘Eloah of the sky will set up a kingdom that shall never be destroyed and the kingdom shall not be left to other people.

It shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms and it shall stand forever.

– Daniel 12: 43,44

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Was There an 8th Day of Creation?

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For most who read and believe scripture, the account of creation in Genesis is understood to have taken place in six days, the seventh day being that one which was set apart as a day of rest from all that YHWH made.

There are, however, some who do not believe that creation ceased on day six, but proceeded to day eight on which Adam, who is normally thought of as the first man, was created.

Those who have this view do not consider Adam and Eve to have been the first humans on Earth, but rather believe that those who were made on day six were a separate creation of human/ humanoid beings.

Often it is explained in terms of these first ones having been all the various races minus that one which was chosen to bring forth Messiah, who was Adam, created on day eight.

It would not be wise to choose either view simply on how the information impresses one at first thought.

Neither adhering to the more well accepted sixth day creation because of tradition, nor adopting the eight day view because of its novelty are good foundations for a clear answer.

Perhaps many who choose either one, having encountered both, do so on the grounds of one of those two reasons, but all interpretation should be tested thoroughly.

Support for the belief in an eighth day creation for Adam are often the following:

1. There is a clear distinction in the telling of the sixth day “humans” and the later telling of the creation of Adam. (Genesis 1 and Genesis 2)

2. The first people were created “in His image” both male and female, rather than Adam who was created alone (and androgynous) and later had a wife made for him out of his own flesh.

3. The first people were created, while Adam was “formed” out of the ground

4. There is a correlation between the first people created and the “beast of the earth” created on the sixth day.

5. The creation of the “eighth day” is evident in the pattern for all of human history – 7,000 years followed by the “eighth day” of the new creation.

6. The “breath of life” breathed into Adam is synonymous with a soul or spirit which the first created people did not have. The first people had YHWH’s likeness, the second had His spirit.

7. Cain mentioned “everyone” who found him would kill him for his crime against Abel and the only explanation for those others is that there were people created prior to Adam and Eve.

8. Cain found a wife and this wife must have been one of those of the people who had been made before Adam and Eve.

Knowing whether or not these points are a good support for the theory means addressing each one in the context of scripture, demanding that scripture make a probable, not just possible case for it.

The same is true of the conventional understanding. His word is not given in a way that requires us to guess. In the end, all correct interpretations will be those which add up to the simplest and most comprehensible answer according to literal language.

One Act or Two?

In Genesis chapter 1 there is a chronological description of creation, describing each day and what was made on that day. The first day describes the creation of the Earth, light, day and night. On the second day was the creation of the firmament of heaven. On the third day, dry land was made to appear and created plant life. On day four were the luminaries of heaven made, the stars, sun and moon. On day five were made sea creatures and birds. On day six, land animals were made, reptiles, mammals and finally people.

“Then ‘Elohiym said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind. Cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to its kind,” and it was so.

And ‘Elohiym made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind, and ‘Elohiym saw that it was good.

Then ‘Elohiym said, “Let Us make mankind in Our image, according to Our likeness. Let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

So ‘Elohiym created the man in His image, in the image of ‘Elohiym He created him, male and female He created them.”

– Genesis 1:24-27

The seventh day is then set apart for rest from all these things YHWH made, but after the description of the seventh day comes another telling of the creation of humans.

“And Yahuwah ‘Elohiym formed the man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and the man became a living creature.

Yahuwah ‘Elohiym planted a garden eastward in ‘Eden and there He put the man whom He had formed”.

– Genesis 2:7, 8

Is this a continuation of the account proceeding in chronological order to the eighth day? There are two points which seriously hinder this being probable.

All other days described before this are done in such a precise way as to pointedly mention the beginning and ending of each “the evening and the morning” as in: “So the evening and the morning were Day One.”, also giving each day aclear number.

This is absent for an eighth day. There is no mention of an evening and a morning encompassing a certain day on which this occurred, nor is there any mention of “day eight”.

The second hindrance is an even more difficult one to justify. The proclamation of the end of the sixth day reads like this:

Thus the heavens and the earth and all (kol: whole, all, any every) the host of them were finished (kalah: end, to be finished, ceased). – Genesis 2:1

There is a clear statement that all things had been made at this point and that following this was cessation from the act of creation.

In His Image: Created or Formed?

Is there an indication that the first account describes a simultaneous “creation” of man and woman while the second describes a process of “forming” Adam alone from the clay?

The first account reads as follows:

“So ‘Elohiym created (bara: create) the man (adam) in His image, in the image of ‘Elohiym He created him, male and female He created (bara:create) them.”

– Genesis 1:27

Here there is the word “bara” which is pointed out as differing from the word used in the “forming” of Adam in Genesis 2:

“And Yahuwah ‘Elohiym formed (yatsar: mold, squeeze) the man (adam) of the dust of the ground”

– Genesis 2:7

If there is a point being made here referencing a different mode of creation employed between the first and second humans, it should by all means remain consistent. It is, however, not the case.

In Genesis 4 is the account of the birth of Seth, who is born in replacement of the slain Abel. We must be assured that Seth was the son of Adam and Eve, this being repeated throughout scripture many times, not the son of an earlier creation of humans.

Following this account is the use of the word “bara” (create) in reference to Adam and Eve as well as a reference to their creation “in His image”.

“And ‘Adam knew his wife again and she bare a son and called his name Sheth, “For ‘Elohiym,” she said, “has appointed me another seed instead of ‘Hebel whom Qayin slew.”

And to Sheth, to him also there was born a son and he called his name ‘Enowsh. Then men began to call upon the name of Yahuwah.

This is the book of the generations of man (adam) in the day that ‘Elohiym created mankind.

In the likeness of ‘Elohiym He made him, male and female He created (bara) them and blessed them and called their name ‘Adam in the day when they were created.”

– Genesis 4: 25, 26, Genesis 5:1, 2

Beast of the Earth connected to First Humans?

It is often believed among those who support an 8th day creation that the description of the creation of the “beast of the Earth” in Genesis is synonymous with those first humans created prior to Adam. This is also, many times, connected with the Beast of the Earth mentioned in Revelation.

Scripture gives the account of the creation of the “beast of the Earth” in Genesis like this:

“And ‘Elohiym made the beast (chay: life,living) of the earth according to its kind, cattle (behemah) according to its kind, and everything that creeps (remes:reptile) on the earth according to its kind, and ‘Elohiym saw that it was good. .”

– Genesis 1:25

There is perhaps little to be said of this as any connection to the creation of human or humanlike creatures. The word “chay” preceding a list of animals which were made on the sixth day could only logically be a collective statement before a more detailed list. It is not a word which is specific to any certain sort of living creature.

Where this connection is usually made, it is included within a doctrine that strongly supports the idea of a superior race and lesser peoples who are made fundamentally different by the manner of their creation.

It is often found in Christian identity and British Israelism cults and follows the ages old tradition of an idea which began in the rulership of nephilim over weaker humans.

Turned upside down, this idea is given a Christian face with which to tempt the pride of believers and alienate various ethnic groups from Christianity.

Is the Future New Heaven and Earth created on an “eighth day”?

It is said that one day is equal to a thousand years in the eyes of YHWH and though the precise days of creation are given in terms of 24 hour intervals, the whole of human history might be sensibly mapped out over a week of millennia.

It is completed, therefor, in the same time construct as the act of creation. It is theorized that if Adam was the new creation of the eighth day, his creation coincides with the new heaven and new earth to be created after the thousand year Sabbath of Messiah’s reign.

The difficulty with this idea is that the model we have been given to observe has no day eight. We are shown a seven day cycle, the last day of which is Sabbath and the following day is not day eight, but day one.

The concept of a day eight in the cycle is only applicable within an occult context where there is an emphasis on day eight being the day of the phoenix, the rebirth, the new age.

Sabbath, by it’s very nature, is special because it is the final touch on creation, it is the moment where the labors are enjoyed instead of toiled over, it is the sum reward of all things worked for.

When the millennial reign of Messiah ends, we should not expect and eternal rotation of the same patterns of time we now have. By being a new creation, even time itself will not be measurable by any present concept of it, that also, will be new. There can be no day eight in a new creation as eight proceeds from the prior series of numbers1-7 and is not, by definition, new.

Did Elohim impart His spirit to Adam but not to the first humans?

In Genesis 1:26 it is said that “man” is made in His image:

“Then ‘Elohiym said, “Let Us make mankind in Our image, according to Our likeness. Let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

– Genesis 1:26

The later account describes the formation of Adam and how he became a living being:

“And Yahuwah ‘Elohiym formed the man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and the man became a living creature.”

– Genesis 2:7

It is believed by many who see these as separate creations that this describes the difference between those first humans and Adam. While the first received the physical likeness of their maker, the second received His Spirit, indicated by the words “breath of life”.

The phrase “breath of life” and “living soul” is understood in this belief to refer to life in a spiritual or eternal sense. The words themselves, though, do not indicate a special or eternal sort of life which was exclusively given to Adam, but rather an animating force which is applicable to all things which live and breathe.

“And Yahuwah ‘Elohiym formed (yatsar: mold, squeeze) the man (adam) of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath (n’shamah: puff, wind, breath) of life (chay:life,living) and the man (adam) became a living (chay) soul (nephesh: breathing, living creature).

Yahuwah ‘Elohiym planted a garden eastward in ‘Eden and there He put the man (adam) whom He had formed (yatsar).”

– Genesis 2:7,8

Here “chay” is used, just as it is used earlier in Genesis to describe the sort of life which animals have. The word “nephesh”, which is often translated as “soul” cannot be understood in the sense of what people normally think of as a soul. It, also, is used to describe a creature, any creature, who is living and breathing as shown here:

“So ‘Elohiym created great sea creatures and every living thing (nephesh) that moves, with which the waters abounded according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind, and ‘Elohiym saw that it was good.”

– Genesis 1:21

Was the “everyone” Cain was afraid of an indication of multitudes of humans made before Adam?

Cain made this well known statement when he was cursed by YHWH to become a vagabond for the murder of his brother:

“And Qayin said to Yahuwah, “My punishment is greater than I can bear!
Surely You have driven me out this day from the face of the ground.

I shall be hidden from Your face. I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond on the earth and it will happen that anyone who finds me will kill me.”

– Genesis 4:13, 14

Anyone or “every one”, as it is given in the KJV, is seen as indicating a great number of people. That indication is not literally present, but thought to implied by the way it is often used in the context of the English language.

The word is translated from “kol” which properly means, any, all or every. It does not indicate a number, either few or many, but simply describes any or every of whatever certain group is in question. It would make as much sense if Adam and Eve were the only two others as much as it would if there were multitudes of others.

Jubilees is a helpful text in considering the theory of the eighth day creation as a whole and it gives a good idea of how many people were on earth as produced through Adam and Eve at the time of this event.

Without including possible grandchildren, there would have been approximately eleven children of Adam and Eve alive at the time conservatively. All of these would perhaps feel justified in seeking due vengeance for their brother’s murder.

“And in the third week in the second jubilee she gave birth to Cain, and in the fourth she gave birth to Abel, and in the fifth she gave birth to her daughter Âwân.

And in the first (year) of the third jubilee, Cain slew Abel because (God) accepted the sacrifice of Abel, and did not accept the offering of Cain”

– Jubilees 4:1, 2

Where did Cain find a wife?

It is often pointed out that Cain could not have gotten a wife anywhere if there had not been “other” humans present who were not of his own parents. There is no reason to assume this, however.

The command against incest had not yet been given, and for a good reason, all who were available for marriage in the beginnings were siblings. Jubilees also offers insight to Cain’s wife:

“And Cain took ’Âwân his sister to be his wife and she bare him Enoch at the close of the fourth jubilee. And in the first year of the first week of the fifth jubilee, houses were built on the earth, and Cain built a city, and called its name after the name of his son Enoch.”

– Jubilees 4:9

The introduction of the theory of two creations of mankind is an important indicator of the motive, reasoning and philosophy behind it.

If it were intended as the interpretation we should receive from His word, its teaching should bear the fruit of that and be identifiable in both ancient Judaism (before Babylon) as well as the early Christian church.

Where it has sprung up, though is not in either of these places, but in the mind of a Jewish man who lived in Alexandria and who was much more a student of Greek pagan philosophy than Judaism.

Philo of Alexandria was known for his writings which attempted to meld together traditional Judaism and Greek philosophy.

It is an attempt which is not unlike the goal the Catholic church worked toward in melding together Christianity and pagan religious systems.

He interpreted nothing in scripture as literally true, but believed in a symbolic and allegoric interpretation which in essence means nothing, as no symbol is meaningful without a clear object or truth which it symbolizes.

If YHWH meant to give us riddles which only a few could understand, why then can we easily recognize the message present in His word that demonstrates how He uses simplicity and lowliness rather than worldly wisdom and high estate?

“Out of the mouth of babes and nursing infants You have ordained strength because of Your enemies that You may silence the enemy and the avenger”.

-Psalm 8:2

Philo sought to”reveal” a cryptic and hidden meaning in the bible which was not there, the same snare which continually draws believers, even today, down a path of speculation which inevitably draws ever nearer a pagan religious system and away from a truth YHWH plainly gave.

One of these cryptic meanings he revealed to his followers was the theory of an eighth day creation, stating that the first men were made in a perishable physical image of their maker but the second were created as creatures with His spirit.

The very theory that makes it’s appearance in the beliefs of many seeking Christians today originated in a man who taught concepts which were derived out of Greek Mystery Religions.

We have a Creator who has given us a perfect representation of truth in a most logical, most common sense way. and I have never known anything written to have made as much sense as His word does when read just as it reads.

It is the persistent Author of Confusion, Satan, who seeks to make what was simple into something complicated, knotted and difficult to follow. There might be no better general rule of reading His word than “if it is not said, it was not meant.”.

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Reference Index for Biblical and Hebrew Terms

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I realize how confusing it can be to keep track of a large quantity of strange or unfamiliar terms, names and titles which often get used here. I’ve provided this reference source with definitions for an easy way to look up these terms when they are encountered.

I’ve tried to make it as thorough as possible but I will continually add to it if more should come to mind, or anyone inquires on something not listed here.

angel –

Term specifically referring to the messenger class of spiritual, heavenly beings created prior to humanity. Used in a modern context to refer generally to all classes of spiritual, heavenly beings.

cherub –

Class of spiritual beings having four distinct forms – humanoid, lion, eagle, ox. (plural: cherubim) Hebrew: keruwb.

chimera –

A term derived from Greek to describe any transgenic creature. Word originally applied to a particular transgenic which was part goat, part lion and part snake according to Greek mythology. Chimeras are termed “monsters” in apocryphal literature, referring to creatures derived from the genetic components of spiritual beings and animals.

demon –

Specifically a term referring to the wandering, earth-bound spirits of dead nephilim capable of oppressing, possessing and influencing living people. Generally used in a modern context to refer to any disincarnate malicious spirit.

giants –

The hybrid children of watchers and human women which were of immense stature.

gibbowr –

Hebrew word used often to describe descendants of various nephilim, literally meaning “powerful, warrior, tyrant, giant or mighty man.”

iyr –

Hebrew word for “watcher” meaning literally “wakeful or watchful one, one who watches.”

malak –

Hebrew word for angel, literally meaning “messenger”. (plural: malakim)

nachash –

Hebrew word for “serpent”, literally meaning “serpent, enchanter, or whisperer.”

nephil –

A person of human and angelic hybrid origins. (plural: nephilim)

raphah –

Demons which are regarded as ancestral deities and can incarnate repeatedly within a family line. (plural: rephaim) Hebrew: raphah, literally “to heal or quicken, a ghost, the dead”.

seraph –

A class of spiritual being (angel) which have six wings and can take the form of a dragon or serpent. Hebrew: saraph, literally “burning or fiery serpent”. (plural:  seraphim)

serpent/ dragon –

Either referring to the natural beast used by Satan to gain access to Eve and initiate human rebellion, or the class of spiritual beings to which Satan belongs (seraphim).

siren –

A spirit of a human female who was joined to a heavenly being in marital union during her mortal life. Capable of possession of living human beings and associated with bodies of water, they are known for specifically targeting men through lust and destroying them.

watcher –

A class of spiritual being (angel) which was charged with observance and study of creation, 200 of which rebelled in the transgressions of intermarrying with humanity and introducing forbidden technologies to earth. Generally humanoid appearance of large stature.

Anakim –

Hebrew: Anaqiy, descendants of the nephil “Anak” or “Anaq”, name literally meaning “choked, collared, strangle, encompassed by a chain, necklace.”

Armoni –

Fallen watcher who taught synthesized remedial medicine. From the Greek translation of his name (Pharmaros) is derived the modern terms Pharmacy, pharmacology, pharmacist, etc.. Hebrew: Armoniy “of the devoted or cursed”.

Azazel –

Fallen watcher who was an instigator of the rebellion of the 200. Taught the making and use of weapons of war and taught cosmetic enhancement to women. He is named as the being to which the released goat is sent to on the Day of Atonement (Yom Kippur) to receive all the sins of Israel upon himself in accordance with the curse upon him mentioned in 1 Enoch “to Azazel ascribe: All Sin.” Hebrew: azaz +el “mighty impudence”.

B’nai Elohim –

Hebrew, meaning “sons of the mighty”, often rendered in translation “the sons of God”. Term of reference to any class of being or individual who’s origin is a direct act of creation by YHWH rather than a flesh and blood birth. Used exclusively in the old testament to refer to “angelic” beings in the general sense.

El –

Hebrew singular word literally meaning “mighty”, used in reference to YHWH or a lesser, created heavenly being. Often translated as “god”.

Elohim –

Hebrew plural word meaning literally “mighty ones” used at times in conjunction with a singular identifier to mean YHWH, or used as plural as a collective group of lesser heavenly beings. Often translated “gods”.

Enoch –

Antediluvian patriarch of the seventh generation. Son of Jared, father of Methuselah. He was a prophet who resisted the corruption brought into the world by the Watchers and who subsequently received knowledge of creation and the future through visions given to him by YHWH. He attempted to intercede on behalf of the rebel watchers and when that intercession failed, returned a message of conviction to the rebels from YHWH. Enoch was removed from the earth alive by YHWH prior to the flood. Hebrew: Chanowk “trained, instructed”.

1 Enoch –

A historical and prophetic text which was rejected from canon though validated as containing original writings of Enoch by Jude. Some material attributed to Noah also included in the text. General history of the preflood world, the rebellion of the Watchers and numerous parables and visions given to Enoch by YHWH, including many dealing with the last days. This book is not to be confused with 2 and 3 Enoch which are works written in much more recent times and which do not correlate to any canonical scripture.

Ham –

Son of Noah, one of three to survive the flood with him in the ark. Father of Canaan from who derived several nations of post flood nephilim as well as father of Mitsrayim, patriarch of Egyptian peoples.

Hermon –

Mountain on which the rebel faction of 200 watchers made a pact to enter into marital unions with mortal women and where they situated their headquarters while reigning on Earth. Hebrew: Chermown “seclude, devote, curse, consecrate”.

Ishtar –

Woman deified throughout multiple cultures under multiple derivatives of her name. Human wife of the watcher Shemyhaza, to whom it is said he revealed how to use the name of YHWH in ritual magic. She appears throughout ancient and modern culture as “the Queen of Heaven”, the mother goddess, the earth goddess, the Madonna. Often portrayed as a mermaid in connection with her status as chief of sirens. She is the personified “whore of Babylon” spoken in Revelation. Hebrew” Ishah+taher “pure woman”.

Japheth –

Son of Noah, one of three to survive the flood in the ark with him. Father of Javan, patriarch of Ionian peoples.

Jared –

Antediluvian patriarch of the 6th generation. Son of Mahalaleel, father of Enoch. The rebel watchers came to earth during his lifetime. Hebrew: Yered “descend”.

Lucifer –

Title ascribed to a chief fallen spiritual being in Isaiah chapter 14. Used in a modern context as a proper name for Satan though the title is neither a name nor describes Satan. Most applicably applied to a fallen Watcher, the Hebrew title is literally “heylel:, literally ” to shine or boast”.

Noah –

Man chosen to survive the flood with his family in the ark. Noah was chosen based both upon his willingness to remain loyal to YHWH and his untainted human bloodline which had not been mixed with nephil ancestry. Hebrew: Noach “rest”.

Satan –

Hebrew literal meaning: “accuser, adversary, one who opposes”. Chief of a vast rebellion of spiritual beings which took place in the heavens prior to the creation of mankind. “Satan” is not a name itself, but a descriptive title of the Seraph who led this insurrection and also tempted the first humans to disobey their Creator.

Shem –

Son of Noah, one of three to survive the flood with him in the ark. Patriarch of all Semitic peoples including Israelites. Hebrew: Shem “name, memorial”.

Shemyhaza –

Chief of the rebel faction of 200 watchers which transgressed in intermarrying with human women, begetting nephilim and introducing forbidden technologies to Earth. Hebrew: shem + ya’ah + aza “of the Name of power”.


Proper Hebrew name of the Creator, pronounced with vowel inflections “Yahuwah”, though often given as “Yahweh”. Literal meaning “self existent, or I AM”.

Yahushua –

Proper Hebrew name of Messiah, literally meaning : “the salvation of YAH”.


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Baptisms of Water and Fire

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In scripture is contained what could be called hyperdimensional truth.

Most are taught the contents of the bible in isolated pieces, each event, prophecy and commandment explained as its own disconnected component, either interpreted as a purely concrete or purely abstract.

The Word of YHWH, however, presents nothing in isolation. Since all laws defined by Him are present in all things at all times. Causes and effects can be shown to present themselves the same way in the same themes over and over.

Truth communicated biblically in one event extends far backward and forward from that one event, and connects infinitely to every other law upholding creation.

Beginning with one theme presented in scripture; baptism, it is possible to spend years, decades, even a life time and more, revealing all that it means, why it does and to what other themes it has direct connection to.

Though it would be impossible to show that here, it can be demonstrated in a small fraction of the whole.

All are aware of what baptism is – a full body immersion in water done as a sign of obedience in following Messiah. It shows in a symbolic way a cleansing by death to an old nature as one is lowered beneath water, and then a restoration to new life, as one is brought back up from the water.

The symbol does not stand alone though, and if it did, it would make little sense. It must re-enact a fundamental truth of sin, death, cleansing and new life or else any set of ritualistic motions would be just as good.

Catholicism practices infant baptism by sprinkling of water and yet that is by no means the biblical example given of what baptism is. There is a real set of criteria which baptism must be which is based on a solid foundation of truth that extends beyond just getting a body wet.

This begins with a man called “The Descent”. That is the literal way to say the name of an early patriarch who lived before the flood named Yered (Jared).

In his day, the descent of the rebel faction of Watchers occurred and they descended upon the summit of Mt. Hermon. They came in, introducing physical corruption to a creation which was already spiritually corrupted by the army of Satan.

When the flood came upon the Earth, it cleansed. It wiped from its surface the physical corruptions of creation which had been done in it. The survivors of the dry ground existed in one small ark carrying a man, his family and the preserved animal life with them.

In this event, the Earth underwent water baptism. It was a physical solution to a physical problem and yet also a foreshadowing of a final solution to a deeper, spiritual problem.

Hebrews, of which stock came the twelve tribes of Israel, descended from a man named Eber, his name being the root of the word “Hebrew”. Eber means to cross over, transition, to go from one side to the other.

In the north of the mountain upon which the Watchers came down, a river flows which is called “Descender”, that is “Yarden”, or the Jordan river.

The Jordan borders Israel on the East and flows into the Dead Sea. This is the river which was crossed by the Israelites who came into the land which was promised them by Elohim.

Those people of the “crossing over” (Hebrews) were chosen to pass over the “descending” (Jordan), which was itself water.

In this people was kept alive the Messianic promise a Deliverer who would remove corruption from the Earth.

Though fallen angels had both corrupted spirit and flesh, He would build a bridge to His redeemed so that they might cross over from corruption into Life.

Water baptism is not the end of the process though. As it is said here:

“Yahuchanan (John) spoke, saying to all, “I indeed immerse you in water.

But One mightier than I is coming whose sandal strap I am not worthy to loose.

He will immerse you in the Sacred Spirit and fire.

His winnowing fan is in His hand and He will thoroughly clean out His threshing floor and gather the wheat into His barn.

But the chaff He will burn with unquenchable fire.””

– Luke 3:16,17

Water baptism is an act of faith, doing so shows trust in that even though one still inhabits the corrupted world, they trust on a promise and enter into new life which is not outwardly evident yet, but is yet to be fully manifested at a future time. As Noah entered the ark with his family and passed through the flood, not to be delivered into present perfection, but to trust in Elohim for a future.

Baptism of fire is the end solution.

While water washes the outer surface of anything, fire purifies a thing thoroughly throughout. As water washed off the physical corruption from Earth, there yet comes a time when the whole creation will be purged entirely by fire and both corruption of physical and spiritual natures will cease to be.

“But the day of the Master will come as a thief in the night in which the skies will pass away with a great noise and the elements will melt with fervent heat.

Both the earth and the works that are in it will be burned up.

Therefore, since all these things will be dissolved, what manner ought you to be in sacred conduct and piety, looking for and hastening the coming of the day of Yahuwah, because of which the skies will be dissolved, being on fire, and the elements will melt with fervent heat?”

– 2 Peter 3:10-12

Fire is shown to be a spiritual influence, the literal substance of spirit even.

“…Who walks on the wings of the wind, Who makes His messengers spirits, His ministers a flame of fire.”

– Psalm 104:4

As Earth and earthly physical influences are “watery”

“…by the word of Yahuwah the skies were of old and the earth standing out of water and in the water, by which the world then existing perished, being flooded with water”

– 2 Peter 3:5,6

It is within the context of the reasons for baptism which explains why John conducted his water bapstisms in the Jordan and why Yahushua Himself was baptized there.

The Jordan is a physical representation of both the source of the problem and the solution. Followers of Yahushua are also spoken of “crossing over” the Jordan in order to be healed by Him.

Yahushua is the bridge which we cross over, rescuing souls from mortality and spirits from eternal death, passing over all impurity which is to be given over to such destruction.

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Just How Christian Is The Cross?

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The cross… it is one of the most readily recognized symbols all over the world. It is emblematic of Christianity and understood by most anyone who sees it as a sign of Messianic sacrifice on behalf of a sinful world.

Believers wear it and display it in solidarity with their Savior and His people, but are believers making a serious mistake in their understanding of what this symbol really means?

At a time when many Christians are coming to understand that much of what they have been taught by their leaders throughout the years has been misleading and even deceptive, the symbol of the cross itself is brought into question.

Anyone sincerely determined to have the whole truth can not allow themselves to be in denial when it comes to the appearance of this symbol and where it is found in history.

It is without reasonable doubt that the symbol we know as being related to our Savior did not have its first appearance in religion at the advent of Christianity.

The symbol we are familiar with, having two lines bisecting one another in some form, roughly like a lowercase “t”, is an ancient one, the depictions of which make appearances in a wide variety of pagan traditions.

That being the case, we have a duty to know all the facts and find out: just how Christian is the cross?

The Cross in Pagan Cultures

What can be revealed with fairly little effort is that the symbol of crossing lines goes back thousands of years. One of the most well known of these symbols comes from Egypt.


The ankh stood for fertility, eternal life and the act of Heaven intervening on Earth to the effect of producing “life”.

Whether these things can be simplified in an agricultural sense or not (the passing of seasons bringing seed-time and harvest, the flooding of the Nile, etc) it is hard to miss the definitive similarity the ideas connected with the ankh bear to those connected with the Christian cross.


A similar figure, known as the Tau (after the Greek letter it resembles: appearing like a Capital T) has been associated with like connotations.

Being related to a number of deities such as the Sumerian Tammuz, the Roman Mithras and his Persian counterpart Mithra.

Solar Cross Sunwheel

The symbol of the “sunwheel” or solar cross is yet another example, a derivation of which can be seen in what is known as a Celtic cross.

This symbol also correlates to cycles of rejuvenation… a returning “sun god” who resurrects life each spring, as well as celestial cycles of the “spheres” which return back to their beginning (bringing a “new age”) with each full turn, much like annual seasonal cycles.

The “Saviors” of Pagan Cultures

The similarity of the ideas embedded in the pagan cross symbols to what is understood as Christian exclusive beliefs does not end at the symbols themselves.

The “gods” which were often connected to these cross-like themes also bore a disconcerting resemblance to ideas we associate with Messiah.

Mithras, sometimes surnamed “Sol Invictus” is considered a confusing personality in the Roman pantheon, as there is very little extant information about the cult of Mithraism, and the deity seems remarkably out of place amongst the much more antiquated figures of the Roman-Olympian pantheon.

The Roman worship of this “Mithras” came about very late in game… well after the crucifixion of Messiah.

The puzzle is resolved in understanding that Mithras was not a Roman deity at all, but a borrowed Zoroastrian deity, originally named Mithra or Mithra-yazata.

The name Mithra means “binding oath”. He is also titled thus by his followers: the lofty, and the everlasting, the Yazad (divinity) of the spoken name, and “the holy,”.

With a little background information regarding the rebel angels, known in scripture as the Watchers, we can identify who Mithra actually is.

The 200 rebellious Watchers are recorded in 1 Enoch to have made a “binding oath” upon MT Hermon to seal their mutual culpability for their planned crimes against humanity.

It was also a widely held tradition in Hebrew lore than the leader of this faction, Shemyhaza, taught his own wife how to pronounce the “spoken Name” of YHWH.

Yazidi 1920sThe title which is attributed to such beings “Yazad”, can be seen to be mirrored in the strange cult known as the Yazidi, who worship a pantheon of angels.

Yazidi Melek TausThe top ranking among the Yazidi pantheon is Melek Taus (the peacock angel), who can also be identified with the same leader of the rebel Watchers.

Both Yazidi tradition and some Hebrew folklore claim this being regretted his errors and the Hebrew legends claim he voluntarily hung himself “between Heaven and Earth”… or is some state of limbo between the physical and spiritual realms.

There are no scriptural indications of his state of punishment being voluntary, but the same theme of this fallen angel being “hung” up on a tree or “cosmic pillar” in some manner of self sacrifice can be traced throughout multiple cultures and even in a modern deck of tarot cards.

The Manichaean equivalent – Mihr yazd, was regarded as a savior figure who was hung on a tree. Likewise the Norse Odin, who hung himself on the world tree. In Babylonian legend, Tammuz was killed by crucifixion at the hand of his own consort (and/ or mother), buried and resurrected. The act was memorialized in Phrygian culture by crucifying an effigy of a man on a “sacred” pine tree each year.

"Hanged Man" Tarot CardThe annual mourning for Tammuz was rampant among Semitic cultures. Krishna, Prometheus and multiple other instances also mirror the same idea… self sacrifice and hanging.

The theme can be seen reflected in the “hanged man” of the tarot deck as well… a card of the major arcana which is nicknamed, interestingly enough, both “the traitor” and ‘the martyr”.

The authentic background of this being would suggest that he was indeed hung (head down… not in a traditional cruciform pose) in a subterranean prison, but there is nothing to suggest that his sentence was voluntary or an act of self sacrifice.

1 Enoch is clear in saying that he and his subordinates were all imprisoned quite against their will by YHWH’s faithful angels, whether they had regrets or not.

All the same… there is a familiar theme here which often becomes an excuse for non-believers to dismiss the validity of what Yahushua did, claiming these legends as proof positive that neither the cross nor the act done on it was original to Christianity.

Chronology is the issue… that these tales and symbols precede the crucifixion of Messsiah seems to validate such claims of origin for them.

What non-believers (and many Christians) fail to understand is that:

1… the promise of a Savior was made to mankind immediately after their fall in Eden and before any written record or division of religious beliefs existed anywhere on Earth.

2… the angels, including the rebel angels, were also privy to the knowledge of the expectation of a Messiah and the element of self sacrifice which would be involved.

3… rebel angels and their offspring actively sought to counterfeit the position and the promises of the Almighty, and

4… the rebel Watchers have always held the position of representing the “right hand”, as Satan’s faction has always taken the position of the “left hand”… creating the illusion of rivalry, when in actuality, both oppose YHWH.

The Real Savior

Yahushua does not leave us in hopeless confusion over His uniqueness next to the look-a-like legends before Him.

He did not conveniently fail to address the fact that there were pagan traditions of “saviors” who had gone before. Yahushua clearly states the truth regarding the distinction between Himself and these heathen beliefs.

“Most assuredly I say to you, I am the door of the sheep.

All who came before Me are thieves and robbers, but the sheep did not hear them.

Iam the door.

If anyone enters by Me, he shall be saved and shall go in and out and find pasture.

The thief does not come except to steal, and to kill, and to destroy.

I have come that they may have life and that they may have it more abundantly.

I am the good shepherd.

The good shepherd gives His life for the sheep.”

– John 10:7-11

Though we may be used to thinking of Antichrist as the last, great, diabolical world leader… the term has a broader meaning as well.

The term anti-christ is more properly translated “pseudo-christ”… not an opposite… a counterfeit, and the spirit of pseudo-christ, we are told in scripture, has been here and will continue to be here until Messiah returns.

“Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits whether they are of Yahuwah, because many false prophets have gone out into the world.

By this you know the Spirit of Yahuwah. Every spirit that confesses that Yahushua the Anointed has come in the flesh is of Yahuwah, and every spirit that does not confess that Yahushua the Anointed has come in the flesh is not of Yahuwah.

And this is the spirit of the anti-Anointed One that you have heard was coming and is now already in the world.

You are of Yahuwah, little children, and have overcome them, because He who is in you is greater than he who is in the world.”

– 1 John 4:1-4

Was He Really Killed on a “Cross”?

An integral part of the debate about the “Christianness” of the cross symbol is whether or not the actual structure on which Yahushua was killed was, in fact, shaped like what we recognize as a cross.

After coming by information on the pagan usage of the symbol, it is often natural to then have doubts about whether our Savior would have been found hanging on something which resembled these symbols.

Roman crucifixion, contrary to popular assumption, was not always carried out on only one type of structure.

The “crucifix” went through phases of transition, and different forms of the structure were utilized for the various ways in which they would cause specific types of pain and death.

Crucifixion itself did not originate with the Romans, but reaches far back in antiquity and originates as literal hanging upon a live tree.

The mention of this type of crucifixion is made in Deuteronomy:

“If a man has committed a sin deserving of death and he is put to death and you hang him on a tree, his body shall not remain overnight on the tree but you shall surely bury him that day.

Whoever is hanged is cursed by ‘Elohiym, so do not defile the land that Yahuwah your ‘Eloah gives you as an inheritance.”

– Deut 21:22,23

and revisited in Galatians…

“The Anointed has redeemed us from the curse of the law, having become a curse for us (for it is written, “Cursed is everyone who hangs on a tree”)..”

– Galatians 3:13

Referred to in historical records as “arbor infelix” or the unfortunate tree… the custom was in heathen cultures, to hang a convicted person upon a tree which had been dedicated to a “god”.

This manner of execution, no doubt, has a similar origin as the legends of the “hanging god-savior”…  the difference in how this idea is treated between the Hebrew and pagan nations is illustrated in the fact that the pagan cultures were reverencing this false messianic being, whereas YHWH reminds His people that to be hanged on a tree in this way is to be cursed as the rebel angel was who defied Him.

Then why would Yahushua in this way be cursed and hung in like manner on any type of “tree”?

Because He came as the true Messiah to literally bear the curse of YHWH for all the world’s sins.

He bore a curse for our sakes.

The Roman manner of crucifixion in its various forms also had various names for the structures used to crucify victims. The “Crux Immissa” was in the form of what most recognize as a “cross”…the lowercase “t”. The “Crux Decussata” was in the form of an X. The “Crux Commissa” was in the form of the “Tau” cross… a Capital “T” form and the “Crux Simplex” was simply one pole in the ground.

It is debated in favor of the idea that Yahushua was crucified on a crux simplex, a single pole in the ground, on the basis of the word used for cross in the New Testament… which is “stauros”, literally meaning “a stake”.

It should be noted, though, that the Greek terminology which referred to a crux simplex was usually “mono stauros” (single stake), rather than stauros.

Evidence of Crucifix Form Used

Whereas the symbol normally used in Christianity is a crux immissa, and those opposing this form often favor the crux simplex, evidence has it that neither are right.

Historically and archeologically speaking… the form of the crucifix structure most often used at the time and place of Yahushua’s death was the crux commissa, the tau form crucifix.

Depending upon the type of structure it might take anywhere from a few hours to a few days for a person who was crucified to die. Scourging prior to crucifixion (which was normal procedure) would impact that length of time as well, due to shock and great amounts of blood being lost.

The hands by themselves would not support the weight of the victim, but a nail through the wrists would in any position. On a crux simplex, the hands would be brought together above he head, while on a form with a cross beam, the victim would be hung loosely by a wrist from each side, not so the arms would project straight out from the body but would be raised in a Y formation above the head.

Though it is often claimed that inhaling would be difficult crucified on a structure with a horizontal beam, this is actually not the case. Instead, the diaphragm is forced down and exhaling is what requires an active effort… making the victim unable to do so without pushing themselves up with their feet. Death was often hastened by breaking the legs of the victims, which could cause death by shock or embolism and not by asphyxiation alone, regardless of the cruciform structure.

The Roman soldiers overseeing the crucifixion of Yahushua and other victims on the same day, sought to hasten their deaths by breaking their legs, which might have come (for the other victims at least) hours or days later. The surprise with which they discovered Yahushua to already be dead implies a structure being used which should have taken more time than it had to kill Him.

It is reasonable that this was not a crux simplex form since this form, putting greater pressure on the diaphragm than the types with cross beams, would take less time to cause death. The real cause of His death is perhaps more accurately understood as one brought on by the severity of spiritual trauma which affected Him physically, rather than being purely physical in nature.

An entire crux simplex post, weighing anywhere from 200 to 300 lbs, would have been incredibly difficult if not impossible for a man to haul up a hill by himself after first being beaten.

A cross beam or “patibulum” was often carried by the victim, however… this weighing between 70 and 100 lbs.

Although the depictions of crux commissa and crux immissa forms are sometimes attributed to the highly paganized influence of Catholicism, the first specific descriptions recorded of the structure on which Yahushua was crucified were written down 200 years prior to Constantine’s rule. Those descriptions describe it as a crux commissa, a tau cross.

Should Believers Regard the Cross as Christian or Pagan?

The controversy surrounding what type of crucifix structure Yahushua was killed on is strongly influenced by the idea that Messiah could not be associated with any symbol which had been used in heathen cultures.

What we tend to forget in that line of thinking is that the Romans were, of course, pagan people. The practice of crucifixion was a pagan oriented form of execution, reminiscent of an event which was synonymous with the wrath of YHWH, but which pagan cultures spun their own messianic stories from.

The question of Christian or pagan becomes an issue of what came first.

What came first was the plan of YHWH of course… that predating anything which heathen people did, recorded or depicted in reverence to false messiahs.

If we must equate the cross form with heathen ideals, then what do we make of false elohim who have been called shepherds, fishers and crucified saviors? What form of crucifix would have been less pagan and a more comfortable fit with Christianity when nearly every imaginable shape and form (including every shape a crucifix could be) has been implemented at some point in ideographic reference to a pagan “god”?

The decision to wear, display or otherwise use the cross as identifying with Christianity might not be rightly decided based on whether or not one can find any non Christian usage of it, but rather a conclusion based on what the structure on which Yahushua was crucified really means.

Does it stand for the wrath of YHWH poured out on sin… or does it stand for the redemption from that sin which Yahushua provided?

Obviously, that can be a very complex question worth its own discussion… but we might think twice about displaying a cross if its true connotation is wrath rather than mercy.

As for how I might answer this, at least in my current understanding (which might always change and hopefully for the better) … I understand mercy as having the last word. The instrument of the cross has been the mode of YHWH’s wrath, and yet that wrath poured out upon the One True Savior has resulted in mercy… the result which no false shepherd has ever achieved.

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