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When is the Gog-Magog War?

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The nearly universal teaching seems to place this war at the beginning or in the midst or at the end of the tribulation. It is what has spurred so many Christians to closely link the present political state of Israel with both the redeemed people of Israel and with the days prior to Yahushua’s return.

I am not so sure we’ve ever been clearly told in scripture, though, that this war occurs at any of those times or that it is in any way linked at all to the present political state of Israel.

We’ve revisited the fact several times that the present state of Israel, its government, boundaries and laws are established by the same people who initiated the holocaust. It should seem strange that a government as willing to partake in false flag terrorism as any other should be suddenly defended by YHWH, who condemns just that kind of tyranny and declares the fate of those partaking in it an unpleasant one.

So, what does the bible say about the timing of Gog and Magog. Ezekiel 38,39 might not clear that answer up, by itself, but lets consider this section:

“Eze 38:11 And thou shalt say, I will go up to the land of unwalled villages; I will go to them that are at rest, that dwell safely, all of them dwelling without walls, and having neither bars nor gates,
Eze 38:12 To take a spoil, and to take a prey; to turn thine hand upon the desolate places [that are now] inhabited, and upon the people [that are] gathered out of the nations, which have gotten cattle and goods, that dwell in the midst of the land….
Eze 38:14 ¶ Therefore, son of man, prophesy and say unto Gog, Thus saith the Lord GOD; In that day when my people of Israel dwelleth safely, shalt thou not know [it]?”

Dwell safely? Is that what is going on for the people in Israel today? Was that going on before the present troubles there? Has that happened at any length since the establishment of the present Israeli state?

As they always say, take things in context, so backing up to Ezekiel 37, we find out how the vision he received from YHWH began…

“1 The hand of the LORD was upon me, and carried me out in the Spirit of the LORD, and set me down in the midst of the valley which was full of bones,
2 and caused me to pass by them round about: and, behold, there were very many in the open valley; and, lo, they were very dry.
3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest.
4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.
5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:
6 and I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
7 ¶ So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.
8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.
9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.
10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.
11 ¶ Then he said unto me, Son of man, these bones are the whole house of Israel: behold, they say, Our bones are dried, and our hope is lost: we are cut off for our parts.
12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,
14 and shall put my Spirit in you, and ye shall live, and I shall place you in your own land: then shall ye know that I the LORD have spoken it, and performed it, saith the LORD. – Ezekiel 37: 1-14″

Nearly all mainstream clergy have been teaching consistently that this is a metaphorical vision of the regathering of Israel. It is that, but why discount the obvious literal meaning? This is a vision of resurrection. Why would it not be the literal resurrection of the redeemed? Why would this not be a consistent foretelling of a regathering which takes place after the raising of the saved dead, whom we know will inhabit His Holy City in the future? Revelation would seem to agree with that…

“4 ¶ And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: Dan. 7.9, 22 and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
7 ¶ And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
8 and shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, Ezek. 38.1-16 to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.” – Revelation 20:4-10

It is there, in the 20th chapter of Revelation, that an exact time frame for a Gog and Magog war is mentioned, and that time is stated plainly as being “when the thousand years are expired”…after the Millennial reign.

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Modern Nephilim: Addressing the Pink Elephant

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In the recent years, a genuinely good thing has happened in the body of Messiah. Many believers have begun to take the lesser taught sections of His word seriously, and search them out in light of the things taking place in the world now.

Since we can sadly track the degradation of church leadership, it’s encouraging when there’s a revival of basic biblical study.

This has led many Christians to take a second look at obscure prophecies and records like 1 Enoch, Jubilees and certain long overlooked passages in the canon.

Multitudes now understand what nephilim are and where they came from.

I’ve been waiting for the backlash though… Satan never lets a genuinely good thing slide by without having a stab at it.

As often happens when some piece of information comes to light on a growing scale, there come those who set themselves center stage to address the issue and become the loud voices of “authority” on the matter.

The subject of modern nephilim has attracted its own center-stagers… their foremost claimed purpose being to minister to victims of alien abduction and SRA (Satanic Ritual Abuse).

I can’t possibly speculate on the true intentions of those who have taken on this… YHWH knows them, but I have serious concerns with the results.

I also won’t bother to name the sources of what I’ve read. They aren’t difficult sources to find on the internet, and most likely anyone really wanting to know could find out – I just have a personal hesitation to sling names.

Aside from this, the big sources I have found backing the opinions I’ll address almost certainly are followed by many lesser known personalities who have adopted the view point.

First, to clarify my own standing on these questions:

Are there people of nephilim descent alive on earth currently?

Yes. I’d find it difficult to not call the alternative impossible by looking at the Bible alone for evidence. Scripture pointedly calls the inhabitants of the Promised Land at the time of Israel’s arrival “nephilim”. They were not all eradicated. What else could happen but that they absorbed into the world population?

Is there a current resurgence of fallen angels procreating in some fashion with human women?

The evidence says yes. The testimony of countless victims of abduction scenarios, black op programs and SRA, coupled with more than one plainly stated Biblical prophecy concerning just this situation in the end times, must reasonably be weightier than the academic speculation of those who deny it.

Is there salvation possible for those of nephilim descent?

Most people should probably hope so if the answer to question 1 is valid… and based on the following verse alone, I’d answer yes:

And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature. He who believes and is immersed will be saved. But he who does not believe will be condemned.”

– Mark 16:15,16

This stand on the subject (particularly in combination) seems to be a pretty unpopular one.

The loud voices in the arena have uniformly taken positions which do not have to deal with extending unsavory notions of salvation to “abominations”… nor having to face any individual with a message of unavoidable condemnation.

The first idea is contradictory to human nature… the second idea is contradictory to Christianity. There seems to be a fence that’s being ridden to death in this matter.

The loudest voice out there has what is termed a “Ministry” that is set forth as one offering a message of hope to those who have claimed to be nephilim, or descended from such.

This outreach counsels those who have testimony of abduction experiences, women who have claimed to have been impregnated by fallen angels, etc.

At first glance, it appears like something its not. The message is emblazoned across the site boldly proclaiming salvation for these people. Prepare to be confused if you keep reading the site though… finally it declares that no such things exist.

It is, perhaps, the most pointless declaration of the gospel I’ve ever seen. It reaches an anticlimax of none effect as it denies the claims of those who have come for counseling. It concludes in a negation of its own existence on the internet by basically stating “nephilim can be saved… because there aren’t any.”

The same group which is behind the above mentioned site, has as its explanation for the testimony of abductions a completely fabricated “vision” given to abductees.

A vision given to the end that the combined effort of smoke and mirrors will result in people who are either 1. rejecting of those they believe are nephilim or 2. people who believe they have no chance of redemption because they are nephilim.

There is no effort made to provide better evidence for this view at all. It’s simply stated as a “belief”. Beliefs, I’ve come to realize, are worthless things to have.

I don’t think Christians “believe” in a Creator, We Know there is One. We have good evidence of it in our own experience. A belief is a whim without evidence, something that just “sounds right”.

On the other hand, there are these individuals who have experienced things first hand, things which are incredibly difficult for them to bring to public light, especially when it is wrapped around concerns of their own salvation. As I see it, no one who has no first hand evidence of their own needs to add their speculation to the scales when the evidence is weighed.

There have been plenty of rebuttals which have come forth from various sources addressed to those who put forth the above site and theories.

These generally take seriously the claims of abductees and SRA victims (which is good).

They do believe there is a current resurgence in the admixture of fallen angel and human, though they do not seem to want to approach the issue of an ongoing lineage of such in the world. There’s a good reason for this… so far I have not seen a single source argue that there is a salvation option for any existing hybrids.

If any of these sources were to maintain that position in light of the possibility of actually meeting any… that would certainly put them in a rough spot. There’s probably little hope for the ministry who would condemn a person because they believed them to be hybrid.

One source neatly covered the issue by simply stating that hybrids do exist – But if a person was even interested in coming to salvation… that Must mean they are not hybrid.

That, again, stands on speculation. Is there some way this person could possibly know the ability of anyone but himself to want salvation?
Even the fallen Watchers pleaded with Enoch to petition YHWH on their behalves. What would make every single nephil uninterested in reconciliation to the Creator?

It’s a big Pink Elephant.

There are uncomfortable ideas in all of this and people really don’t like to address uncomfortable ideas. Generally an “us and them” mentality feels best to human nature.

If there’s no “them”, people tend to feel there’s less to esteem about “us”. It’s having to face the blackness of our own individual sins that makes it uncomfortable to put “them”on equal footing in some way. It’s more a comfort to tiptoe around some glaring evidence, to deny a necessity to address some point by simply speculating it out of existence.

If someone out there Really wants to be a ministry to help these people, it’s going to mean facing the elephant, regardless of what it looks like to the popular mind set.

As you saw iron mixed with ceramic clay, they will mingle with the seed of men but they will not adhere to one another, just as iron does not mix with clay.

And in the days of these kings ‘Eloah of the sky will set up a kingdom that shall never be destroyed and the kingdom shall not be left to other people.

It shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms and it shall stand forever.

– Daniel 12: 43,44

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Jehovah’s Witnesses: As Subtle as a Red Serpent

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Everyone is familiar with the aggravating visits of Jehovah’s Witnesses. It’s come to be somewhat of a stereotypical joke… how to be rid of them or hide from them when they come knocking on the door in their polished apparel and stacks of pamphlets in hand.

Perhaps it is a much better policy to attempt to witness truth to them instead of avoiding the visit, but many who attempted this have also known how difficult a task that can be.

For all the well-known labels this fringe denomination has gathered to itself… few people outside of the Jehovah’s Witness faith, and perhaps even not a majority within it, have any really good idea what their religion is about or from where it came.

For those who have been disillusioned with mainstream Christianity (and rightly so)… the teachings of JW can sound incredibly attractive and reasonable.

In the recent years, because of the notable distrust many believers have developed toward Church-style Christianity, the doctrines of Jehovah’s Witnesses have made somewhat of a come back.

With their negative stance towards allegiance to earthly government, a refusal to participate in Christianized pagan holidays, and their disdain for involvement in military affairs… this religion can seem to be the answer to all things that are wrong with both mainstream Christian doctrine and a corrupt government.

For this reason, it’s good to be armed with some basic understanding of the deeper roots of this denomination so that we are never tempted to confusion when presented with it by one of those door to door visits.

Jehovah’s Witnesses have their beginning in the “Bible Student movement” founded by Charles Taze Russell in the late 1800’s, the literature of which was published through Zion’s Watch Tower Tract Society.

Charles Russell 1905

The movement was set in motion by Russell’s insistence that the Christianity of the day was fundamentally corrupt and restoration of a more true-to-scripture faith was in order.

None of these publicly given reasons were untrue, or without merit on their own, yet for all the insistence on a truer Christian doctrine, those which came out of Russel’s movement, as well as the Jehovah’s Witnesses after his death, are unscriptural to the point of having a translated version of the scriptures which exist for the sole purpose of supporting them.

The doctrines of the sect in this day are set down by a governing body which has an authority that is put on a near-equal level with the scriptures themselves… a practice which is extremely reminiscent of Catholicism, which elevates papal decisions and church tradition above the letter of scripture.

The Watch Tower society maintains that all doctrinal change is the result of clearer revelation of scripture… revelation which they are open to receiving, by their own admission, through angels as well as Elohim Himself.

Lay people of the faith are not permitted to question or dispute the “revelations” given to the governing body, and they are routinely discouraged from independent research or study of scripture which might lead to questioning the doctrine.

Watch Tower with Masonic Cross

It is well known that JW do not believe that Yahushua is Elohim, equal and One with the Father…

it is much less known that they ascribe to Him a synonymous identity with both Michael the archangel…

and with Abaddon or Apollyon, the destroyer “angel of the bottomless pit” mentioned in Revelation.

There’s scarcely any need, I dare say, to point out the unbelievable level of blasphemy in the later comparison. It is, in fact, a degree of blasphemy which is dangerously bordering on, if not completely immersed in, the unpardonable sin. It is also a connection which finds itself a well established precedent in Luciferian belief systems where Messiah is purposely confused with Lucifer.

It is less surprising that we would find a hint of Luciferian doctrine in the teachings of the JW when it is discovered that the organization itself has received much funding and support from the Rothschilds, a leading Luciferian globalist family, through the foundation known as “B’nai B’rith”, a group disguised as a charitable Jewish fraternity.

B'nai B'rith Certificate

It is, in reality, no more than a sect of Freemason-flavored Illuminism dressed up as a Jewsih society. Note the all-seeing masonic “eye of Ra”, phoenix depiction, and multitudes of other occult symbolism on B’nai B’rith certificate above.

In the 1920’s, as eugenics were becoming more in fashion, The Watch Tower Society published very blunt statements of bigotry against minority groups, claiming a biblical foundation for such statements like this one:

“It is generally believed that the curse which Noah pronounced upon Canaan was the origin of the black race.

Certain it is that when Noah said, “Cursed be Canaan, a servant of servants shall he be unto his brethren,” he pictured the future of the Colored race.

They have been and are a race of servants, but now in the dawn of the twentieth century, we are all coming to see this matter of service in its true light and to find that the only real joy in life is in serving others; not bossing them.

There is no servant in the world as good as a good Colored servant, and the joy that he gets from rendering faithful service is one of the purest joys there is in the world.”

(The Golden Age, July 24, 1929, p. 702)

The only version of scripture which Jehovah’s Witnesses use is known as the “New World Translation”. From the start, it’s hard to ignore the innuendo of such a name. The “New World”, and everything which bears a title referring to it, has been single-mindedly established for the long term goal of ultimate globalist rule. Fitting then, if this version of the scriptures should reflect that same agenda.

The New World Translation was published in 1961 by the Watch Tower society by way of an anonymous committee of translators.Nothing is known about who this group was comprised of other than they were reportedly of multinational origins.

The members refused for their names and identities to be made public, insisting that the reason was to avoid being credited with the translation, since that credit belonged to “Jehovah” alone. On the contrary side, neither can anyone verify the honesty, integrity or expertise of anyone who worked on this translation and it is fair to say that while they might go uncredited with the results, they also go uncriticized.

Charles Taze Russell, the founder of the Bible Student movement from where JW derive is a person who is highly protected in mainstream research sources from too much scrutiny.

If one is to do a cursory, surface level search of this man’s history it is likely to show nothing which is not completely benign and all attestations to the contrary are quickly buried. He is simply noted as a “Restoration” minister from PA.

It is worth noting that Russell was quite eclectic in his spiritual tastes as a young man and immersed himself in a number of eastern religious systems like Hinduism, Buddhism and Taoism.

This isn’t surprising since the form of “Christianity” which Russel eventually founded has a distinct connectedness with Rosicrucianism, a Christianized Occult belief system which grew out of Eastern and Mideastern philosophy.

Russel apparently had no qualms about ignoring the warnings of date setting which are mentioned in the gospels regarding the return of Messiah.

After a predicted date of return and rapture was set and met with failure, he decided that Messiah had indeed returned in 1874, but did so invisibly, and had commenced ruling from the heavens since then.

He further predicted that after a period which he called the “Gentile Times”, Messiah would come visibly and rule on Earth in 1914 – interestingly coinciding with the start of WW I.

This prediction is unlikely to be mere coincidence… Albert Pike, the man famous for having written the script on the three world wars before a single one of them occurred, was a known Illuminist Freemason, and it is not surprising that anyone of high affiliation with such societies would be well aware of the same plans.  Albert Pike and the Three World Wars

Charles Russell was an outspoken Zionist in the Rothschild, political tradition. The in-gathering of Jews into Palestine was a central component of his beliefs and the teachings which he zealously spread at the same time as the Rothschilds were formulating the resettlement.

It was Russell’s message to the Jews that they need not bother with conversion to Christianity, being already chosen by Jehovah, they need only resettle in their land and receive their blessing.

Without a doubt, this Zionist movement was one of the greatest disservices to Jewish people that ever came out of anything calling itself “Christian”.

Charles Russell's "Chart of the Ages"

You will find any mention of Russell being affiliated with Freemasonry to be hotly denied by JW and the Watch Tower society, and even outright denials of Freemasons that he ever was one of them, but records still exist (at least for now) which name him as being a member of a Templar Mason, York Rite lodge in Allegheny Pennsylvania.

He was known for utilizing the masonic pyramid in his publications as well as the “winged disc” of famed, ancient occult symbolism. His own grave site is adorned with a large masonic stone pyramid monument. He made a public statement on his affiliations with Masons, denying that he had any… sort of.

“Although I have never been a Mason … Something I do seems to be the same as Masons do, I don’t know what it is; but they often give me all kinds of grips and I give them back, then I tell them I don’t know anything about it except just a few grips that have come to me naturally..”

– Special 1913 Convention Report of the Internal Bible Students, “The Temple of Gods” pages 120-127.

Charles Russell's grave marker monument

Anyone who knows the fundamentals of the use of secret handshakes and hand signs by the Masons, understand that its a rather complex, subtle system, not even always visible, as in the case of handshakes, but only felt by where and how pressure is placed on the receiving hand. Nothing of the sort would “come naturally” to anyone never made aware of how to return them.

It should certainly be noted that the surname of Pastor Russell is not an unfamiliar one in the world of globalists, Illuminsits and Satanists.

One of a number of families who’s surnames crop up again and again throughout history attached to secret societies, global influence and royalty… Russell’s family belongs to one of the so-called “elite” branches.

The family name itself gave homage to the notion of the “red line”… the red serpent or rose line which is traditionally understood to be a reference to the serpent or dragon nephil bloodline.

Charles Russell’s uncle, William Huntington Russell, is in fact, the co-founder of the infamous Yale society known as “Skull and Bones”. The original founder and trustee of Yale college was also a Russell.

The peculiar occult interests of Russell were not entirely obscured from his followers and he recommended some reading which is a view into his questionable philosophies.

A book entitled “Angels and Women”, which he supervised the editing of, was dictated to a spiritual medium by a fallen angel.

He insisted that the contents were still of benefit to others because there were biblical truths contained in it, in spite of the fact the source of the material was an evil entity.

Russell’s successor, Joseph Franklin Rutherford, only pushed the boundaries of acceptable doctrine further, revising many of those left by his predecessor.

In spite of Russell’s strong Zionist persuasion, Rutherford eventually veered from that so far as to become pointedly anti-Semitic. He began the publication “Golden Age Magazine”… the name of which will throw up a red flag for anyone familiar with occult lingo. The name derives directly out of the Crowley styled Thelemic philosophy “Secret Teachings of the Golden Dawn”. The term “Golden Dawn” itself referring to the arrival of a New World Order.

Clayton J. Woodworth, editor of The Golden Age, writing a commentary on Revelation for the publication called The Finished Mystery, claimed to have been the victim of demonic influence during the process.

“I came directly under the influence of evil spirits, so much so that for three days I was as completely under demonical control as was Mrs. Eddy when she wrote “Science and Health.”

– Thirteenth Souvenir Convention Report, p. 274

Rutherford continued Russell’s disturbing reliance upon spiritual mediums and demonic messages to give “good” information, claiming that “honest demons” were helping humanity come closer to the “secret of life”.

The name of the Watch Tower Society itself is not original to Jehovah’s Witnesses. The term is well known in Hermetic occult practices or so-called “Enochian” magic as a station of one of four spirit guardians… namely Watchers, over one of the four cardinal directions. These “Watchtowers” are invoked during ritual magic and coincide to certain stars; Fomalhaut, Aldebaran, Regulus and Antares.

The connectedness that the Jehovah’s Witness faith, its founder and its history have to occult practices, Illuminism, globalist goals and a New World Order agenda, should not be ignored.

For those who are already part of this faith, it should surely be questioned as to why questioning itself, or researching for ones self, is so very discouraged. That such a stance shares a parallel with the general long and convoluted trend towards a “Brave New World” should be enough to cause concern. For those who might be persuaded to JW beliefs… now you have some things to think on.

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The Unexpected Deception

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“For false messiahs and false prophets will rise and show great signs and wonders to deceive, if possible, even the chosen. “

– Matthew 24:24

None who have given their lives over to follow Messiah are unaware of the warnings that the last days of the age will be full of deception.

Among many deceptions there is expected to be one overwhelmingly believable lie which will ensnare every inhabitant of Earth who does not cling with all their might to YHWH.

Many of us have theories on how this and other attempts to mislead believers will be fulfilled. It is good to understand and discuss the possibilities, but perhaps there is a little understood danger in being too sure how a great deception will occur.

We know there is chaos in the world and that evil increases daily. It is expected that great trying adversities will be faced even by those who are faithful believers. Many will give their lives for the sake of His name.

It is a fierce and relentless spiritual war that we face and one which requires strength of resolve, whole trust in Yahushua and sharp discernment.

It is that discernment that is being sharpened now, because if a believer can not divide the truth from deception in these days, the following days will be only so much more perilous in deception.

We resist those who push the world to a new globalist order and those who carry out plans of cold and heartless destruction of human life. We resist the tyranny and oppression of rulers that despise His name and despise His image, and so it should be.

Even so, can we fall victim to our own strong desires to see something, anything in the world which seems to oppose those evils?

Are there not multitudes who flock to political candidates who claim to hold the values of freedom and life in hopes that they will be the one to take an office and remedy all these things?

Should a great leader who proclaims to fight for all things that are right and good succeed in taking a powerful position, will we have won or have we entered a new kind of deception?

It is the obvious signs of adversity and evil the world which all eyes are focused on, but it must never be forgotten that there will come false peace as well.

“His power shall be mighty but not by his own power.

He shall destroy fearfully and shall prosper and thrive.

He shall destroy the mighty and also the sacred people.

Through his cunning he shall cause deceit to prosper under his rule and he shall exalt himself in his heart.

He shall destroy many in their prosperity.

He shall even rise against the Prince of Princes, but he shall be broken without human means.”

– Daniel 8:24,25

“And in his place shall arise a vile person to whom they will not give the honor of royalty but he shall come in peaceably and seize the kingdom by intrigue.”

– Daniel 11:21

It is not at all beyond possibility that the pseudo messiah will come seeming to bring an anti- New World Order message.

Though his goals will be globalist, he could not appeal to the world, and especially believers, with anything so unexpected or attractive as an apparent agenda which seems to be against all that we know the Beast system to be about.

He will not win any support by an evident display of his Satanic plans or with a public alliance with those who have supported his cause all along.

As it states in Daniel 8:24, he will be a destroyer of, not only the “sacred” people, but also the “mighty”.

We are aware of who is mighty in this world among its people, and these two adjectives can not be seen to be speaking of one group.

The mighty are those who now serve the very false messiah, whom it says, will destroy them.

It is of great concern to us all that we not only expect adversity, but also false alliances.

The enemy’s way has never been to deceive by those means which we know are evil, but by those means which we expect to be good.

This is a truth we will face both on a global scale, as well as each believer individually.

The deceptions ensnaring the world seek to conquer nations, states and households. The enemy will not only send false saviors before the whole world, but false shepherds into the midst of the fold to sway each according to their own desires.

Where there are those who expect a new golden age, they will see for all the world, what appears to be one.

For those who are expecting the intervention of benevolent extraterrestrials, that deception will also be provided with convincing evidence.

If there are those that are willing to follow a “Constitutional” presidential candidate, he will be presented to lead unwary sheep to their own slaughter.

Delusions come in as many forms as the desires of the flawed heart, and continually adapt to suit every new interest or expectation that can be dreamed up.

For this reason, we must never be dreamers, we must never be shaping our perception of reality by what seems nice to our base senses and wishes.

If we are willing participants in such a thing, He will allow us to choose our delusions and perish with them.

“So will I choose their delusions and bring their fears on them because, when I called, no one answered.

When I spoke they did not hear but they did evil before My eyes and chose that in which I do not delight.”

– Isaiah 66:4

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On the Rapture: Let’s Not Get Carried Away

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Many Christians who believe these are the last days view the events taking place in the world as imminent signs of a long awaited event wherein Messiah will make a preliminary appearance, to believers only, and remove them out of the Earth prior to tribulation.

This event called the “rapture” is possibly one of the most hotly debated doctrines in Christianity.

All doctrine learned of church leaders and denominations aside, it is not unimportant that we examine what scripture supports exist for or against an occurrence such as this.

If error exists in a believer’s judgment concerning the rapture, there is the real danger of being set up for serious deception regarding the end times in general.

Knowing that this time is described in terms of the sheer magnitude of deceptions which will ensnare the inhabitants of Earth, it is reasonable that such a dramatic event, which is so debated as the rapture of all believers, would play a central role in that one way or the other.

Should a rapture occur, the danger for those who were never looking for one would, hypothetically, be that any left behind would not, as a consequence, repent of what had disqualified them for it in the first place.

Should no rapture be forthcoming, the danger would be that those expecting one would lose faith as they began to experience the distress of tribulation events… or they would be easily deluded by a staged event meant to mimic a rapture.

There is probably no one on Earth, believer or otherwise, who would not be more than happy to be spared a period of time in the world that was matchless in its upheaval and suffering.

To be taken away from it all and transported to a place of safety and peace is an incredibly attractive idea. For many Christians, the idea of our Heavenly Father allowing His people to suffer along with the rest of the world is unthinkable.

This is the root of where a strong and nearly unmovable conviction for the doctrine of rapture originates. We believe in an Elohim of mercy and therefor it seems altogether unmerciful for there not to be a rapture to spare Christians the tribulation.

We can not let that be our reason, though.

Such a conclusion is drawn out of fear of facing such a horrific trial, and out of a sense of entitlement as a believer to be assured comfort rather than adversity.

A doctrine that we hold as truth can’t be built upon the sandy soil of perception and feeling. It must stand or fall on the rock foundation of His word only, regardless of how we end up liking or disliking the outcome.

The word “rapture” itself is a concern.

Often those who argue against the doctrine of rapture note, as support for their position, that the word is not anywhere in scripture.

That’s not my argument, as I take it as a fairly weak argument at best. The debate is not over a term, but over a concept that is simply summed up in a word.

The question is whether or not the concept is in scripture.

My concern with the word chosen to describe the concept is in the literal meaning of that word. Rapture… does not sum up a lot of very Christian ideas in its definition.

rap·ture:

1. the state of mind resulting from feelings of high emotion; joyous ecstasy 

2. (often plural) an expression of ecstatic joy

3. the act of transporting a person from one sphere of existence to another, esp from earth to heaven

(tr) Archaic or literary to entrance; enrapture 

[from Medieval Latin raptura, from Latin raptus rapt1]

Feelings of high emotions… ecstasy. Every temptation and deception of Satan has always targeted a manipulation of emotions. The ability to create states of pointless euphoria has always been the lure of every sinful act.

By becoming “enraptured”, we’re deceived by and addicted to sin. In essence, to be raptured is literally to “get carried away”.

If that seems much too critical of a mere word which is used to describe an event of being taken away from the suffering of the tribulation… then readers are free to ignore it, but lets examine the definition by which it is defined as doctrine.

“the act of transporting a person from one sphere of existence to another, esp from earth to heaven.”

By all reason… we are to understand this as believers not dying, but being given incorruptible bodies and being taken from Earth into Heaven.

Likewise, the dead who believed on Messiah are also to be returned to their bodies and taken up Bodily with those who were still living.

Clearly all believers taken in the rapture are removed in physical form… not as spirits, yet they are removed to Heaven… a place or state/place understood by most Christians to be a Spiritual abode.

To what dimension or realm do these believers get raptured to where physicality in a human body is sustainable?

That is not a question to discredit the idea of physical locations in Heaven… but one to galvanize some thought on the condition of the resurrected, or perfected, human state which is particularly designed to be sustained in a future perfected Earth.

“Now I saw a new heaven and a new earth for the first heaven and the first earth had passed away and there was no more sea.

Then I, Yahuchanan, saw the sacred city, New Yeruwshalaim, coming down out of heaven from Yahuwah, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

And I heard a loud voice from heaven saying, “Behold! The tent of Yahuwah is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. 

Yahuwah Himself will be with them and be their ‘Eloah.”

– Revelation 21:1-3

The origin of the doctrine of the rapture… (note: the origin of the Doctrine, not the Word) dates back only to around the early 1700’s. It was supported and preached by Cotton Mather who is also notable as being an integral participant in the Salem Witch Trials.

This idea was picked up and popularized later by other protestant pastors… particularly Edward Irving who preached a twofold return of Messiah such as many believers accept today.

The doctrine of the rapture is a fairly recent one, and does not date to the original church in the first centuries after Messiah came.

All these points aside now… here are the verses which are quoted in support of the rapture:

“For this we say to you by the word of the Master, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Master will by no means precede those who are asleep.

For the Master Himself will descend from the sky with a shout, with the voice of a high messenger, and with the trumpet of Yahuwah, and the dead in the Anointed will rise first.

Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Master in the air.

And thus we shall always be with the Master.”

– 1 Thessalonians 4: 15-17

The words “caught up” here are those which are used to translate to “rapture”…Harpazo: to seize or catch up or away.

In these verse, the most heavily relied upon to argue in favor for a rapture… we do not actually read anything which states that a pre-tribulation rapture is what is being described here.

What is being described in the return of Messiah, the resurrection of the dead who belong to Him, and the transformation of mortal bodies of believers into incorruptible bodies.

If those bodies are then brought up to meet Messiah and fellow saints “in the clouds”… is that to be taken to mean they are “transported to heaven”?

Do we normally Truly view the location of Elohim’s throne and the abode of angels as the cloudy atmosphere of Earth?

The timing of what is described here is not clearly mentioned… however if one continues reading past these verses we see:

“But concerning the times and the seasons, brothers, you have no need that I should write to you for you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Master so comes as a thief in the night.

For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them as labor pains upon a pregnant woman and they shall not escape.

But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should overtake you as a thief.

You are all sons of light and sons of the day.

We are not of the night nor of darkness.

Therefore let us not sleep as others, but let us watch and be sober.”

– 1 Thessalonians 5: 1-6

Here is a pointed warning to be watchful and sober, but the warning is not be watchful for an impending rapture… but the chaotic events of the tribulation.

It would be reasonable to be watchful for those things… observable events which would prelude a return of Messiah. How can one, after all, be watchful for an event which is by definition sudden and without warning, preceding any tribulation, such as the rapture would be.

“For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.

Then two will be in the field, one will be taken and the other left.

Two grinding at the mill, one will be taken and the other left.

Watch therefore, for you do not know what hour your Master is coming.

But know this, that if the master of the house had known what hour the thief would come, he would have watched and not allowed his house to be broken into.

Therefore you also be ready, for the Son of Man is coming at an hour you do not expect.”

– Matthew 24:38-44

Here, it is often said is a description of rapture… “one taken… the other left”.

Is this realistically a portrait of a favorable event for those who are “taken” though? “For as in the days before the flood, they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and did not know until the flood came and took them all away, so also will the coming of the Son of Man be.”

If this is the comparison… then we cannot surely say that these who were swept away in the flood were met with favorable circumstances.

Further, the description goes on to make a comparison to a master of a house which is “broken into” by a thief… again, not a favorable outcome for the master of the house.

Other verses referred to in support of a pre-tribulation rapture event are those which mention the transformation of the mortal body into the incorruptible form:

“As the man of dust, so also those of dust, and as is the celestial, so also those celestial.

And as we have borne the image of the dust, we shall also bear the image of the celestial.

Now this I say, brothers, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of Yahuwah nor does corruption inherit incorruption.

Behold! I tell you a mystery! We shall not all sleep but we shall all be changed, in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet.

For the trumpet will sound and the dead will be raised incorruptible and we shall be changed.”

– 1 Corinthians 15: 48-52

Certainly, there is no room for denial in scripture that there will be a bodily transformation of living believers at the coming of Messiah, or that those who have died in Him will be raised, likewise, incorruptible.

No mention is ever attached to references of this event preceding tribulation on Earth, or that there are appearances of Messiah prior to His final judgment before the millennial reign, though.

With the publication of a series of popular Christian books called “Left Behind”, the belief in a doctrine of rapture saw a manifold increase.

These books covered a fictional account of future prophetic fulfillment on the subject of the end times. The lengthy story begins with pre-tribulation rapture events wherein multitudes of believers all over the world are suddenly and inexplicably missing.

Unbelievers who have been left behind have only the recollection of what their missing loved ones told them of the rapture to come to a conclusion about what has happened. As a result, many become saved, accepting, finally,what the missing believers had told them.

Apart from making the doctrine of rapture a central theme to the story, Left Behind also strongly relies on a position of staunch political Zionism to interpret the fulfillment of end times prophecy.

Many Christians who have never attempted to read the entire Bible have, nonetheless, read these books. As a result, multitudes of spiritually immature believers have come to treat these fictional stories as if they were prophecy themselves.

It might be prudent to give the benefit of the doubt to the authors of these books, Tim LaHaye and Jerry B. Jenkins, as having ‘done their best’ and with no intention to skew the perception of the millions of Christians and non-Christians who read them… but for the very questionable background of one of the authors in particular.

Tim LaHaye, an evangelical minister founded an organization known as the Council for National Policy of CNP.

This organization, upon hearing the basic description provided by the same, sounds at once like one which is dedicated to everything Christian values can be said to be.

There is, however, a very familiar air to the workings of the group, which not only mirror the sort of secretive, “behind closed doors” operations that we have come to expect of Masonic societies and government agencies, but have been branded the conservative counterpart to the Council on Foreign Relations.

The CFR, as many of us are well aware, is an extremely exclusive think tank of globalist elites who attempt to steer the nations policies toward a one world governement.

It is not at all unlike the controllers to put forth two sides of every issue and to control them both… this has been a very long standing game plan of theirs and can be seen in action in the two main political parties, ‘left’ and ‘right’ controlled media… etc.

It is far more efficient to their goals to provide at least two camps for the public to choose from and adhere to, rather than one, obvious target which can be easily seen for what it is and countered.

The wealthiest and most powerful conservatives in the country belong to the CNP.

The membership list is not made public and admission to the group is by invitation only… much like the CFR and Bohemian Grove. No guests are permitted, except by unanimous approval of the executives of the organization.

No matter their supposed “reasons”… we must seriously question any organization which conducts their business apart from the scrutiny of the public and which is geared toward being a serious influence on the governing of the country. This behavior is directly contrary to any notion of “We The People”.

Aside from secrecy… Tim LaHaye’s organization has gladly received million of dollars of funding from none other than Rev. Sun Myung Moon, leader of the Unification Church… for those not familiar with Reverend Moon, he ascribes to himself a status of being messiah himself.

No true believer in Yahushua would ever accept a position of affiliation or receive support from someone who literally took on themselves the title of a pseudo messianic figure.

With these things in mind, it is reasonable to question the true intention of the publication of the Left Behind series which have so “enraptured” so many believers.

With such strong political and anti-Christian ties… might we not wonder if these books were published precisely for the purpose of misleading Christians about what can and should be expected in true fulfillment of end times prophecy?

It is always… without fail… a 100% error to lean on the understanding of men instead of seeking the truth of His word directly.

How many have and will fall victim to an end times deception which includes erroneous expectation of pre-tribulation rapture?

Among many pieces of the puzzle which are falling into place in these days is a very serious trend toward a belief and interest in extraterrestrials, and much of this recent excitement on the matter is focused on a spiritually benevolent aspect of alien visitation.

We should also not allow ourselves to be unaware that mankind possesses technology capable of both projecting realistic images in sky, and realistic synthesized emotion and vocal messages directly to human brains.

If it seems somehow highly unlikely that all these things are the present contributors to a future “strong delusion”… then perhaps that disbelief makes an excellent foundation for just that.

“The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish because they did not receive the love of the truth that they might be saved.

And for this reason Yahuwah will send them strong delusion that they should believe the lie,”

– 2 Thessalonians 2:9-11

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Yahushua in 1 Enoch

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More believers understand and accept 1 Enoch as scripture now than they have for perhaps over a thousand years.

Those who do, realize that among those things which have been a reason for its suppression are records which explain an angelic rebellion which changed the world forever, and a direct address to those who would be living during the tribulation.

Suppressing this evidence means depriving believers of a complete knowledge of last days prophecy, as even Yahushua Himself made that connection by saying “the last days will be like the days of Noah”.
Mat 24:37

1 Enoch has not only been rejected from canon to suppress these things though, and there are further serious implications to consider.

It perhaps does not much impact the modern day believer in Yahushua to find references to Him in 1 Enoch, but His presence in the verses of that book carries great weight.

Orthodox Judaism rejects 1 Enoch now, though Israel did not always reject the text.

Jewish believers in Yahushua’s time knew the book and understood its contents. Only after Messiah came, did Jews cease to regard the book as valid.

The reason for this becomes very obvious when reading it. 1 Enoch is a record of the oldest written prophecies in the world of Yahushua.

Not only is the book full of references to Him, but those references are nearly exact to references and descriptions of Him which can be read in the New Testament.

The 1 Enoch support for Yahushua being who He claimed He was is so overwhelming that adherents to Orthodox Judaism would logically either have to accept that it foretells of Yahushua without a doubt, or reject the text, and work hard to bury it.

Christians who reject 1 Enoch as scripture do not realize that they are rejecting the strongest and most irrefutable evidence for the legitimacy of their Savior which ever existed before His appearance on Earth.

Here I have shown the references to Yahushua in 1 Enoch and the New Testament Scriptures which correlate to them.

You will find very often that He is referred to as the Son of Man, a term of reference which most believers understand as a completely New Testament way of describing Him, yet it was written in this book much before the New Testament was recorded.

1 Enoch 45: 3-6

3 On that day Mine Elect One shall sit on the throne of glory

And shall try their works, And their places of rest shall be innumerable.

And their souls shall grow strong within them when they see Mine Elect One,

And those who have called upon My glorious name: 4 Then will I cause Mine Elect One to dwell among them.

And I will transform the heaven and make it an eternal blessing and light
5 And I will transform the earth and make it a blessing:

And I will cause Mine elect ones to dwell upon it:
But the sinners and evil-doers shall not set foot thereon.

6 For I have provided and satisfied with peace My righteous ones
And have caused them to dwell before Me:

But for the sinners there is judgement impending with Me,
So that I shall destroy them from the face of the earth.

And I heard a loud voice from the sky saying, “Behold! The tent of Yahuwah is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. Yahuwah Himself will be with them and be their ‘Eloah.

And Yahuwah will wipe away every tear from their eyes. There shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.” Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold! I make all things new.”

And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.” And He said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End.

I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts. He who overcomes shall inherit all things and I will be his ‘Eloah and he shall be My son.

But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers, sexually immoral, sorcerers, image worshippers, and all liars shall have their part in the lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”

– Revelation 21:1-8

1 Enoch 46:1-5

1 And there I saw One who had a head of days,
And His head was white like wool,
And with Him was another being whose countenance had the appearance of a man,
And His face was full of graciousness, like one of the holy angels.
2 And I asked the angel who went with me and showed me all the hidden things, concerning that 3 Son of Man, who He

was, and whence He was, (and) why He went with the Head of Days? And he answered and said unto me:
This is the Son of Man who hath righteousness,
With whom dwelleth righteousness,
And who revealeth all the treasures of that which is hidden,

Because the Lord of Spirits hath chosen Him,
And whose lot hath the pre-eminence before the Lord of Spirits in uprightness for ever.

4 And this Son of Man whom thou hast seen
Shall raise up the kings and the mighty from their seats,
[And the strong from their thrones]
And shall loosen the reins of the strong,
And break the teeth of the sinners.

5 [And He shall put down the kings from their thrones and kingdoms]
Because they do not extol and praise Him,
Nor humbly acknowledge whence the kingdom was bestowed upon them.

His head and hair were white like wool, as white as snow, and His eyes like a flame of fire,

His feet like fine copper, as if refined in a furnace, and His voice as the sound of many waters.

He had in His right hand seven stars, out of His mouth went a sharp two-edged sword,

and His countenance was like the sun shining in its strength.

– Revelation 1:14-16

1 Enoch 62:4-9

4 Then shall pain come upon them as on a woman in travail,
[And she has pain in bringing forth]
When her child enters the mouth of the womb,
And she has pain in bringing forth.

5 And one portion of them shall look on the other,
And they shall be terrified,
And they shall be downcast of countenance,
And pain shall seize them,
When they see that Son of Man Sitting on the throne of His glory.

For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them as labor pains upon a pregnant woman and they shall not escape.

But you, brothers, are not in darkness so that this day should overtake you as a thief. You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness.

– 1 Thesalonians 5:3-5

And the kings of the earth, the great men, the rich men, the commanders, the mighty men, every slave and every free man, hid themselves in the caves and in the rocks of the mountains and said to the mountains and rocks, “Fall on us and hide us from the face of Him who sits on the throne and from the wrath of the Lamb!

– Revelation 6:15,16

6 And the kings and the mighty and all who possess the earth shall bless and glorify and extol Him who rules over all, who was hidden.

7 For from the beginning the Son of Man was hidden,
And the Most High preserved Him in the presence of His might,
And revealed Him to the elect.

8 And the congregation of the elect and holy shall be sown,
And all the elect shall stand before Him on that day.

9 And all the kings and the mighty and the exalted and those who rule the earth
Shall fall down before Him on their faces,
And worship and set their hope upon that Son of Man,

Therefore the ‘Eloah has also highly exalted Him and given Him a name that is above every name, that at the name of Yahushua every knee should bow, of those in the sky, and of those on earth, and of those under the earth, and every tongue should confess that Yahushua the Anointed is Master, to the splendor of Yahuwah the Father.

– Philipians 2:9-11

1 Enoch 62:14,15

14 And the Lord of Spirits will abide over them,
And with that Son of Man shall they eat
And lie down and rise up for ever and ever.

15 And the righteous and elect shall have risen from the earth,
And ceased to be of downcast countenance.
And they shall have been clothed with garments of glory,

After these things I looked, and behold, a great multitude that no one could number, of all nations, tribes, peoples, and tongues, standing before the throne and before the Lamb, clothed with white robes with palm branches in their hands and crying out with a loud voice saying, “Salvation to our ‘Eloah who sits on the throne and to the Lamb!”

All the messengers stood around the throne and the elders and the four living creatures and fell on their faces before the throne and worshipped Yahuwah saying, “Amein! Blessing and splendor and wisdom, thanksgiving and honor and power and might to our ‘Eloah forever and ever. Amein.”

Then one of the elders answered, saying to me, “Who are these arrayed in white robes and where did they come from?” And I said to him, “Sir, you know.” So he said to me, “These are the ones who come out of the great tribulation and washed their robes and made them white in the blood of the Lamb. Therefore they are before the throne of Yahuwah and serve Him day and night in His sanctuary. And He who sits on the throne will dwell among them. They shall neither hunger anymore nor thirst anymore. The sun shall not strike them, nor any heat for the Lamb who is in the midst of the throne will shepherd them and lead them to living fountains of waters and Yahuwah will wipe away every tear from their eyes.”

– Revelation 7:9-17

1 Enoch 69:26-29

26 And there was great joy amongst them,
And they blessed and glorified and extolled
Because the name of that Son of Man had been revealed unto them.

27 And He sat on the throne of His glory,
And the sum of judgement was given unto the Son of Man,
And He caused the sinners to pass away and be destroyed from off the face of the earth,
And those who have led the world astray.

28 With chains shall they be bound,
And in their assemblage-place of destruction shall they be imprisoned,
And all their works vanish from the face of the earth.

29 And from henceforth there shall be nothing corruptible;
For that Son of Man has appeared,
And has seated himself on the throne of His glory,
And all evil shall pass away before His face,
And the word of that Son of Man shall go forth

And be strong before the Lord of Spirits.

Then I saw a great white throne and Him who sat on it, from whose face the earth and the sky fled away and there was found no place for them. And I saw the dead, small and great, standing before Yahuwah, and books were opened. And another book was opened, that is the Book of Life, and the dead were judged according to their works, by the things that were written in the books.

The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and she’owl delivered up the dead who were in them, and they were judged, each one according to his works. Then death and she’owl were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death. And anyone not found written in the Book of Life was cast into the lake of fire.

Now I saw a new sky and a new earth for the first sky and the first earth had passed away and there was no more sea. Then I, Yahuchanan, saw the sacred city, New Yeruwshalaim, coming down out of the sky from Yahuwah, prepared as a bride adorned for her husband.

And I heard a loud voice from the sky saying, “Behold! The tent of Yahuwah is with men, and He will dwell with them, and they shall be His people. Yahuwah Himself will be with them and be their ‘Eloah. And Yahuwah will wipe away every tear from their eyes. There shall be no more death, nor sorrow, nor crying. There shall be no more pain, for the former things have passed away.”

– Revelation 20:11-15, 21:1-4

1 Enoch 70:14-16

This is the Son of Man who is born unto righteousness,
And righteousness abides over Him,
And the righteousness of the Head of Days forsakes Him not.’
15 And he said unto me:
‘ He proclaims unto thee peace in the name of the world to come;
For from hence has proceeded peace since the creation of the world,
And so shall it be unto thee for ever and for ever and ever.

16 And all shall walk in His ways since righteousness never forsaketh Him:
With Him will be their dwelling-places, and with Him their heritage,
And they shall not be separated from Him for ever and ever and ever.

And so there shall be length of days with that Son of Man,
And the righteous shall have peace and an upright way
In the name of the Lord of Spirits for ever and ever.’

Peace I leave with you. My peace I give to you, not as the world gives do I give to you. Do not let your heart be troubled nor let it be afraid.

– John 14:27

Praise be to YHWH who makes all truth manifest.

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What “Spirits” Did Yahushua Preach To?

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There exist certain passages in scripture which are rarely mentioned in church.

Those seeking souls who take seriously the word of their Creator will find such passages for the first time and be puzzled… wondering what they could mean in the big picture of all they have been taught about their Bibles.

They seem out of place, inconsistent, even left field when they are discovered amongst the more well known themes in which they have been educated by their pastors.

When one brings these questions to church leaders, the responses are often just as puzzling. As if one had come to their Minister asking him to excuse away some incredibly taboo subject matter, the reaction received often comes with uncomfortable looks and short answers which don’t answer much.

Out of the more discomfiting of seemingly “weird” bible passages has grown the art of “apologetics”. I dislike the term immensely, as well as the concept… apologetics… exactly what, I ask, should be necessary to apologize for in the Word of our Elohim?

As if we must do some fast talking to keep at bay the arguments of non-believers against the questions they have, with apologies to the “odd” bits and pieces in scripture which Christian leadership has tried to tip-toe around.

No… they don’t need our apologies, YHWH certainly doesn’t need us to apologize for Him – and believers need answers, not excuses.

Let there be no verse unturned, I say… whether it fits into the criteria of the faith most believers have accepted or not… there is a perfectly good reason for these strange passages to be present, and it behooves us to know what those are.

One of those mysterious little tidbits occurs in a book written by a man who decidedly pulled no punches when it came to being outright with some of the lesser known bible topics of the present day.

I have no doubt that YHWH used Peter, and his especially point blank way of stating the truth, to preserve some knowledge that people would have otherwise found much more difficult to reveal in the modern age.

Here is that most interesting passage:

“For the Anointed also suffered once for sins, the just for the unjust, that He might bring us to Yahuwah, being put to death in the flesh but made alive by the Spirit, by whom He also went and preached to the spirits in prison who formerly were disobedient when once Yahuwah’s patience waited in the days of Noah while the ark was being prepared, in which a few, that is, eight souls, were saved through water.”

– 1 Peter 3:18-20

I can guess that few people who have seriously read the bible, with an intent to understand it, have not stopped at this statement and reread it, wondering to themselves what on Earth Peter is talking about.

What spirits? What prison? Why was He preaching to them? If those curious souls then went searching for answers in Christian apologetics, they likely came up with a response which resembled one of these three:

1. It’s wholly symbolic… it’s speaking figuratively of people’s spirits being captive to sin.

2. Yahushua went to the spirits of those who died prior to Him coming so that they too might receive the gospel and come to Him.

3. Yahushua went to proclaim His victory to fallen angels, and to point out their own defeat to them.

The problem with any of these answers is that each of them spawns more questions than they answer…

1. I flatly reject calling anything in scripture symbolic that He didn’t call symbolic, especially in light of specific details mentioned here, like the time frame of the days of Noah.

If that’s incorrect, then virtually anything we want to call symbolic is up for grabs, and so is what it symbolizes.

That answer not only doesn’t answer to these verses, but puts everything in the bible in question.

2. The second answer fails in this way… there is of course, no biblical precedent for dead humans being given a second opportunity to repent past their own physical lives.

As is stated clearly in scripture… even those without the Law had a conscience to answer to which was a law in itself.

The knowledge of a future Messiah, and belief in that future fulfillment, was to the ancient world what believing on His past appearance is to the modern one.

3. The third answer at least makes sense in identifying the spirits involved.

The only group of spirits who fit the description “the spirits in prison who formerly were disobedient when once Yahuwah’s patience waited in the days of Noah while the ark was being prepared..” are the rebel Watchers.

The reference to the time frame fits them, as they were those fallen angels who were present on Earth at exactly that point in history and they were subsequently imprisoned prior to the deluge.

They are the only group of rebel angels who were imprisoned in this way… no biblical evidence can support the notion of Satan or his followers being bound from activity upon the earth at any time prior to the Millennial reign.

“And when all their sons shall be slain, when they shall see the perdition of their beloved, bind them (the Watchers) for seventy generations underneath the earth, even to the day of judgment, and of consummation, until the judgment, the effect of which will last for ever, be completed.”

– 1 Enoch 10:15

The second part of this answer does not hold up as well… the assumption that this act of preaching is a declaration of the rebel angels defeat… that it is precisely Not an act of preaching repentance, must by necessity come purely out of assumption, and not an assumption we can support.

In the plain text there is nothing referring to, implying or hinting that the described event is an act of judgment towards those rebels.

This speculation comes purely out of a stubborn refusal of Christian leadership, and Christians generally, to question objectively the possibility of a message of repentance coming to non human creatures.

Yet this is exactly what the passage in question would plainly imply…

The most notable argument which is supposed to back up the claim that certainly no preaching of the gospel occurred here is the Greek word which is used for “preach” in 1 Peter 3:18.

That word “kerysso”, they claim, is a word which is not indicative of a “good” message… but rather just a proclamation which does not imply a message of repentance unto salvation.

These same would argue that the word “euaggelizo” would be the word which would be used if a message of repentance and salvation was the idea.

The literal meaning of the word Kerysso is: to herald, proclaim, publish, proclaim gospel; while the meaning of euaggelizo is: to bring good news, bring glad tidings.

The idea that proponents of the above mentioned theory try to instill, is that Kerysso is a word which is not used in relation to ‘preaching the gospel’ or ‘witnessing a message of repentance’… that it is solely a word used in matters of declaration, which have no end effect of bringing people to salvation; while Euaggelizo is that word which is reserved for such a gospel message.

This entire base line of logic is not just a bit questionable, but indisputably wrong.

Kerysso is, in fact, used 59 times in the New Testament, and every single instance, minus one (or perhaps two, if you really push the boundaries of technicality) is contained in a verse which specifically deals with preaching the gospel unto repentance.

There is no instance of the word being used to communicate a message of damnation.

Euaggelizo is used 51 times, in similar settings.

These two words are also not by far the only two words translated into “preach” in English… the rest are as follows…

diaggello – carry a message abroad, announce, declare to assemblies

laleo – to utter, speak, tell

kataggello – announce, make known, proclaim

didaskalia – teaching, instruction, doctrine

prokerysso – to announce or proclaim beforehand

parresia – open, frank speech, unreserved speaking

dialegomai – to ponder, debate, converse

pleroo – to fill up, render complete, to carry into effect

proeuaggelizomai – to announce good news beforehand

akoe – something heard, oral instruction, report, rumor

Any of these May be used to describe preaching the gospel, though there are surely certain terms we might much more expect to be used to describe a message of judgment than kerysso among these, such as laleo or kataggello. Here are some other examples of verses where kerysso is used:

“The Spirit of Yahuwah is upon Me because He has anointed Me to preach the gospel to the poor. He has sent Me to heal the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and recovery of sight to the blind. To set at liberty those who are oppressed.”

– Luke 4:18

From that time Yahushua began to preach and to say, “Repent! For the kingdom of the sky is at hand!”

– Matthew 4:17

And Yahushua went about all Galiyl, teaching in their synagogues, preaching the gospel of the kingdom, and healing all kinds of sickness and all kinds of disease among the people.

– Matthew 4:23

And this gospel of the kingdom will be preached in all the world as a witness to all the nations and then the end will come.

– Matthew 24:14

Yahuchanan came immersing in the wilderness and preaching an immersion of repentance for the remission of sins.

– Mark 1:4

So they went out and preached that people should repent.

– Mark 6:12

And He said to them, “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.”

– Mark 16:15

The last verse in that list is very interesting in light of this investigation of 1 Peter 3:18-20…. “Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature”.

A thorough examination of that might be for another discussion, yet we have to ask the obvious about it… what exactly are the “other creatures” to whom the gospel should be preached?

I have a peculiar question which I have sought to know the answer to, and have never gotten. What is the basis of resistance which believers have to the notion of non-human redemption?

The only answer forthcoming seems to be an argument of scripture… that scripture “clearly states” a negation of that possibility.

That has proven to be unfounded in examination of scripture, and so there remains some serious emotionally-based resistance toward the idea.

What would it cost believers if it were true that something besides humans could receive the message of the gospel? I would think it would cost them nothing… and in fact, I would think it would be a welcomed knowledge.

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