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Was There an 8th Day of Creation?

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For most who read and believe scripture, the account of creation in Genesis is understood to have taken place in six days, the seventh day being that one which was set apart as a day of rest from all that YHWH made.

There are, however, some who do not believe that creation ceased on day six, but proceeded to day eight on which Adam, who is normally thought of as the first man, was created.

Those who have this view do not consider Adam and Eve to have been the first humans on Earth, but rather believe that those who were made on day six were a separate creation of human/ humanoid beings.

Often it is explained in terms of these first ones having been all the various races minus that one which was chosen to bring forth Messiah, who was Adam, created on day eight.

It would not be wise to choose either view simply on how the information impresses one at first thought.

Neither adhering to the more well accepted sixth day creation because of tradition, nor adopting the eight day view because of its novelty are good foundations for a clear answer.

Perhaps many who choose either one, having encountered both, do so on the grounds of one of those two reasons, but all interpretation should be tested thoroughly.

Support for the belief in an eighth day creation for Adam are often the following:

1. There is a clear distinction in the telling of the sixth day “humans” and the later telling of the creation of Adam. (Genesis 1 and Genesis 2)

2. The first people were created “in His image” both male and female, rather than Adam who was created alone (and androgynous) and later had a wife made for him out of his own flesh.

3. The first people were created, while Adam was “formed” out of the ground

4. There is a correlation between the first people created and the “beast of the earth” created on the sixth day.

5. The creation of the “eighth day” is evident in the pattern for all of human history – 7,000 years followed by the “eighth day” of the new creation.

6. The “breath of life” breathed into Adam is synonymous with a soul or spirit which the first created people did not have. The first people had YHWH’s likeness, the second had His spirit.

7. Cain mentioned “everyone” who found him would kill him for his crime against Abel and the only explanation for those others is that there were people created prior to Adam and Eve.

8. Cain found a wife and this wife must have been one of those of the people who had been made before Adam and Eve.

Knowing whether or not these points are a good support for the theory means addressing each one in the context of scripture, demanding that scripture make a probable, not just possible case for it.

The same is true of the conventional understanding. His word is not given in a way that requires us to guess. In the end, all correct interpretations will be those which add up to the simplest and most comprehensible answer according to literal language.

One Act or Two?

In Genesis chapter 1 there is a chronological description of creation, describing each day and what was made on that day. The first day describes the creation of the Earth, light, day and night. On the second day was the creation of the firmament of heaven. On the third day, dry land was made to appear and created plant life. On day four were the luminaries of heaven made, the stars, sun and moon. On day five were made sea creatures and birds. On day six, land animals were made, reptiles, mammals and finally people.

“Then ‘Elohiym said, “Let the earth bring forth the living creature according to its kind. Cattle and creeping things and beasts of the earth according to its kind,” and it was so.

And ‘Elohiym made the beast of the earth according to its kind, cattle according to its kind, and everything that creeps on the earth according to its kind, and ‘Elohiym saw that it was good.

Then ‘Elohiym said, “Let Us make mankind in Our image, according to Our likeness. Let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

So ‘Elohiym created the man in His image, in the image of ‘Elohiym He created him, male and female He created them.”

– Genesis 1:24-27

The seventh day is then set apart for rest from all these things YHWH made, but after the description of the seventh day comes another telling of the creation of humans.

“And Yahuwah ‘Elohiym formed the man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and the man became a living creature.

Yahuwah ‘Elohiym planted a garden eastward in ‘Eden and there He put the man whom He had formed”.

– Genesis 2:7, 8

Is this a continuation of the account proceeding in chronological order to the eighth day? There are two points which seriously hinder this being probable.

All other days described before this are done in such a precise way as to pointedly mention the beginning and ending of each “the evening and the morning” as in: “So the evening and the morning were Day One.”, also giving each day aclear number.

This is absent for an eighth day. There is no mention of an evening and a morning encompassing a certain day on which this occurred, nor is there any mention of “day eight”.

The second hindrance is an even more difficult one to justify. The proclamation of the end of the sixth day reads like this:

Thus the heavens and the earth and all (kol: whole, all, any every) the host of them were finished (kalah: end, to be finished, ceased). – Genesis 2:1

There is a clear statement that all things had been made at this point and that following this was cessation from the act of creation.

In His Image: Created or Formed?

Is there an indication that the first account describes a simultaneous “creation” of man and woman while the second describes a process of “forming” Adam alone from the clay?

The first account reads as follows:

“So ‘Elohiym created (bara: create) the man (adam) in His image, in the image of ‘Elohiym He created him, male and female He created (bara:create) them.”

– Genesis 1:27

Here there is the word “bara” which is pointed out as differing from the word used in the “forming” of Adam in Genesis 2:

“And Yahuwah ‘Elohiym formed (yatsar: mold, squeeze) the man (adam) of the dust of the ground”

– Genesis 2:7

If there is a point being made here referencing a different mode of creation employed between the first and second humans, it should by all means remain consistent. It is, however, not the case.

In Genesis 4 is the account of the birth of Seth, who is born in replacement of the slain Abel. We must be assured that Seth was the son of Adam and Eve, this being repeated throughout scripture many times, not the son of an earlier creation of humans.

Following this account is the use of the word “bara” (create) in reference to Adam and Eve as well as a reference to their creation “in His image”.

“And ‘Adam knew his wife again and she bare a son and called his name Sheth, “For ‘Elohiym,” she said, “has appointed me another seed instead of ‘Hebel whom Qayin slew.”

And to Sheth, to him also there was born a son and he called his name ‘Enowsh. Then men began to call upon the name of Yahuwah.

This is the book of the generations of man (adam) in the day that ‘Elohiym created mankind.

In the likeness of ‘Elohiym He made him, male and female He created (bara) them and blessed them and called their name ‘Adam in the day when they were created.”

– Genesis 4: 25, 26, Genesis 5:1, 2

Beast of the Earth connected to First Humans?

It is often believed among those who support an 8th day creation that the description of the creation of the “beast of the Earth” in Genesis is synonymous with those first humans created prior to Adam. This is also, many times, connected with the Beast of the Earth mentioned in Revelation.

Scripture gives the account of the creation of the “beast of the Earth” in Genesis like this:

“And ‘Elohiym made the beast (chay: life,living) of the earth according to its kind, cattle (behemah) according to its kind, and everything that creeps (remes:reptile) on the earth according to its kind, and ‘Elohiym saw that it was good. .”

– Genesis 1:25

There is perhaps little to be said of this as any connection to the creation of human or humanlike creatures. The word “chay” preceding a list of animals which were made on the sixth day could only logically be a collective statement before a more detailed list. It is not a word which is specific to any certain sort of living creature.

Where this connection is usually made, it is included within a doctrine that strongly supports the idea of a superior race and lesser peoples who are made fundamentally different by the manner of their creation.

It is often found in Christian identity and British Israelism cults and follows the ages old tradition of an idea which began in the rulership of nephilim over weaker humans.

Turned upside down, this idea is given a Christian face with which to tempt the pride of believers and alienate various ethnic groups from Christianity.

Is the Future New Heaven and Earth created on an “eighth day”?

It is said that one day is equal to a thousand years in the eyes of YHWH and though the precise days of creation are given in terms of 24 hour intervals, the whole of human history might be sensibly mapped out over a week of millennia.

It is completed, therefor, in the same time construct as the act of creation. It is theorized that if Adam was the new creation of the eighth day, his creation coincides with the new heaven and new earth to be created after the thousand year Sabbath of Messiah’s reign.

The difficulty with this idea is that the model we have been given to observe has no day eight. We are shown a seven day cycle, the last day of which is Sabbath and the following day is not day eight, but day one.

The concept of a day eight in the cycle is only applicable within an occult context where there is an emphasis on day eight being the day of the phoenix, the rebirth, the new age.

Sabbath, by it’s very nature, is special because it is the final touch on creation, it is the moment where the labors are enjoyed instead of toiled over, it is the sum reward of all things worked for.

When the millennial reign of Messiah ends, we should not expect and eternal rotation of the same patterns of time we now have. By being a new creation, even time itself will not be measurable by any present concept of it, that also, will be new. There can be no day eight in a new creation as eight proceeds from the prior series of numbers1-7 and is not, by definition, new.

Did Elohim impart His spirit to Adam but not to the first humans?

In Genesis 1:26 it is said that “man” is made in His image:

“Then ‘Elohiym said, “Let Us make mankind in Our image, according to Our likeness. Let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.”

– Genesis 1:26

The later account describes the formation of Adam and how he became a living being:

“And Yahuwah ‘Elohiym formed the man of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life and the man became a living creature.”

– Genesis 2:7

It is believed by many who see these as separate creations that this describes the difference between those first humans and Adam. While the first received the physical likeness of their maker, the second received His Spirit, indicated by the words “breath of life”.

The phrase “breath of life” and “living soul” is understood in this belief to refer to life in a spiritual or eternal sense. The words themselves, though, do not indicate a special or eternal sort of life which was exclusively given to Adam, but rather an animating force which is applicable to all things which live and breathe.

“And Yahuwah ‘Elohiym formed (yatsar: mold, squeeze) the man (adam) of the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath (n’shamah: puff, wind, breath) of life (chay:life,living) and the man (adam) became a living (chay) soul (nephesh: breathing, living creature).

Yahuwah ‘Elohiym planted a garden eastward in ‘Eden and there He put the man (adam) whom He had formed (yatsar).”

– Genesis 2:7,8

Here “chay” is used, just as it is used earlier in Genesis to describe the sort of life which animals have. The word “nephesh”, which is often translated as “soul” cannot be understood in the sense of what people normally think of as a soul. It, also, is used to describe a creature, any creature, who is living and breathing as shown here:

“So ‘Elohiym created great sea creatures and every living thing (nephesh) that moves, with which the waters abounded according to their kind, and every winged bird according to its kind, and ‘Elohiym saw that it was good.”

– Genesis 1:21

Was the “everyone” Cain was afraid of an indication of multitudes of humans made before Adam?

Cain made this well known statement when he was cursed by YHWH to become a vagabond for the murder of his brother:

“And Qayin said to Yahuwah, “My punishment is greater than I can bear!
Surely You have driven me out this day from the face of the ground.

I shall be hidden from Your face. I shall be a fugitive and a vagabond on the earth and it will happen that anyone who finds me will kill me.”

– Genesis 4:13, 14

Anyone or “every one”, as it is given in the KJV, is seen as indicating a great number of people. That indication is not literally present, but thought to implied by the way it is often used in the context of the English language.

The word is translated from “kol” which properly means, any, all or every. It does not indicate a number, either few or many, but simply describes any or every of whatever certain group is in question. It would make as much sense if Adam and Eve were the only two others as much as it would if there were multitudes of others.

Jubilees is a helpful text in considering the theory of the eighth day creation as a whole and it gives a good idea of how many people were on earth as produced through Adam and Eve at the time of this event.

Without including possible grandchildren, there would have been approximately eleven children of Adam and Eve alive at the time conservatively. All of these would perhaps feel justified in seeking due vengeance for their brother’s murder.

“And in the third week in the second jubilee she gave birth to Cain, and in the fourth she gave birth to Abel, and in the fifth she gave birth to her daughter Âwân.

And in the first (year) of the third jubilee, Cain slew Abel because (God) accepted the sacrifice of Abel, and did not accept the offering of Cain”

– Jubilees 4:1, 2

Where did Cain find a wife?

It is often pointed out that Cain could not have gotten a wife anywhere if there had not been “other” humans present who were not of his own parents. There is no reason to assume this, however.

The command against incest had not yet been given, and for a good reason, all who were available for marriage in the beginnings were siblings. Jubilees also offers insight to Cain’s wife:

“And Cain took ’Âwân his sister to be his wife and she bare him Enoch at the close of the fourth jubilee. And in the first year of the first week of the fifth jubilee, houses were built on the earth, and Cain built a city, and called its name after the name of his son Enoch.”

– Jubilees 4:9

The introduction of the theory of two creations of mankind is an important indicator of the motive, reasoning and philosophy behind it.

If it were intended as the interpretation we should receive from His word, its teaching should bear the fruit of that and be identifiable in both ancient Judaism (before Babylon) as well as the early Christian church.

Where it has sprung up, though is not in either of these places, but in the mind of a Jewish man who lived in Alexandria and who was much more a student of Greek pagan philosophy than Judaism.

Philo of Alexandria was known for his writings which attempted to meld together traditional Judaism and Greek philosophy.

It is an attempt which is not unlike the goal the Catholic church worked toward in melding together Christianity and pagan religious systems.

He interpreted nothing in scripture as literally true, but believed in a symbolic and allegoric interpretation which in essence means nothing, as no symbol is meaningful without a clear object or truth which it symbolizes.

If YHWH meant to give us riddles which only a few could understand, why then can we easily recognize the message present in His word that demonstrates how He uses simplicity and lowliness rather than worldly wisdom and high estate?

“Out of the mouth of babes and nursing infants You have ordained strength because of Your enemies that You may silence the enemy and the avenger”.

-Psalm 8:2

Philo sought to”reveal” a cryptic and hidden meaning in the bible which was not there, the same snare which continually draws believers, even today, down a path of speculation which inevitably draws ever nearer a pagan religious system and away from a truth YHWH plainly gave.

One of these cryptic meanings he revealed to his followers was the theory of an eighth day creation, stating that the first men were made in a perishable physical image of their maker but the second were created as creatures with His spirit.

The very theory that makes it’s appearance in the beliefs of many seeking Christians today originated in a man who taught concepts which were derived out of Greek Mystery Religions.

We have a Creator who has given us a perfect representation of truth in a most logical, most common sense way. and I have never known anything written to have made as much sense as His word does when read just as it reads.

It is the persistent Author of Confusion, Satan, who seeks to make what was simple into something complicated, knotted and difficult to follow. There might be no better general rule of reading His word than “if it is not said, it was not meant.”.

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The Sovereignty of YHWH Defying Time and Circumstance

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“I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End,” says the Master, “who is and who was and who is to come, the *Almighty.”

– Revelation 1:8

*Almighty: (Greek) “pantokrator” – all-ruling, universally sovereign, omnipotent

For unbelievers, the sovereignty of our Creator is a major point of contention which separates them from acceptance of Him.

It is difficult for the mind which is focused temporally to make sense of a world of suffering if there be any such Being Who is without limit of power.

It is equally difficult for them to feel justice is done on individuals if all have a foreordained fate.

Though believers are less likely to dispute His sovereignty, some of the same questions exist for them.

Is there predestination for each individual in their salvation or lack of it, and if so, how can our own choices matter?

If it is all a matter of choice, where then, is the sovereignty of YHWH?

Scripture can not be said to support anything falling short of the absolute omnipotence of YHWH.

If any created being had an ability to effectively oppose His will, He would be less than omnipotent, and so, less than Elohim.

I say “effectively” oppose His will because many creatures have opposed Him, but ultimately none of this opposition will be to any effect, the only ultimate desired effect of opposing Him being usurping His complete authority over all creation.

This being true, not a single sin any of us can commit will change the universal outcome which YHWH has already ordained.

All that remains in question for us, who have not seen the end from the beginning, is the outcome for each individual.

Knowing all things, it is often asked why He has allowed such evil and suffering.

Evil and suffering had their conception in Satan, and so the question truly is, why did He create this being whom He foreknew as the source of all sin?

It must be realized that it is impossible to understand the answer to this question within the chronologically-based creature mind set.

YHWH is not a chronologically based being.

He is waiting for nothing future, He has no need to recall the past nor treat this moment or the next as if it is passing and will be soon gone.

He exists outside of time and existed when time did not.

He was and is not only capable of knowing all future outcomes, He was and is capable of knowing all possible outcomes.

The mind of Elohim brings into being all reality.

Unlike us, limited beings, who imagine what is not, and whose imaginings have no power to make what is not into what is, His thoughts form the foundation for all things real and true, including each of our existences.

It is then, not characteristic of the mind of YHWH to think that which is not, and so to foreknow or think on all possible outcomes is not a work of imagination for Him, but a view into all reality.

Knowing the result of a being existing that would fall and tempt all creation is not different from those things being absolutely real.

Could He have still chosen not to create Satan?

Yes, He could have, but that unmanifested reality of the being He would never form would be no less true.

All those who would fall to Satan’s temptation if he were formed would still be those who have in them that capacity to oppose YHWH, whether or not there existed any trigger to set in motion their transgression.

Each sinner’s transgression would thus still exist in the sovereign understanding of One who knew all outcomes.

The difference only would be that no redeemer would be supplied to eradicate sin from the reality which was not manifest.

To the chronological mind, it is hard to make sense of being held to the penalty of sin which we would never have an opportunity to carry out, and for good reason.

YHWH would not offend His justice by imposing the penalty of crimes committed within a reality He never initiated, but that same sense of justice could also not allow Him to ignore the truth of His knowledge of those crimes either.

The only way to deliver both justice and mercy was to allow the outcome of Satan’s creation to unfold as they would.

Each sentient creature He created, whether man or angel, would have to be placed within the testing grounds of a fallen creation, so to act out their will of loyalty or transgression, of life or death, and receive in themselves the due rewards of what they did.

YHWH has allowed this creation to become ensnared in sequential time in order that all may choose their sides. When the day of His judgment arrives, no one will be able to either accuse Him of injustice, nor of being unmerciful.

He knew all possible outcomes and no unrepentant sinner would have been anything other than that in the end of manifested reality.

Though there are many possible paths through time, there is only one possible judgment which will occur after such sequential time has been ended.

At this judgment, none of us will not know the reality of all we have done, whether within the space of chronological time we now know and have memory of, or not.

We will not fool ourselves about our intentions or our loyalties, we will not have the ability to delude ourselves over what we believe or do not. We will be given clear sight to understand our own actions, and His.

The result of YHWH giving place to this war between His will and the enemy’s to occur, will be that each of us who have turned our hearts towards Him will be, of an absolute certainty, wholly clean and purged of all transgression.

Truly sealed with His name, as Yahushua said “My sheep hear My voice and I know them and they follow Me. And I give them eternal life and they shall never perish. Neither shall anyone snatch them out of My hand. My Father, who has given them to Me, is greater than all and no one is able to snatch them out of My Father’s hand.” – John 10:27-29

There will be, of truth, no circumstance or possibility left in all the universe which is able to separate us from Him by sin.

His people are named the “called and chosen, Predestined and foreknown” in scripture.

What, then, do our choices have to do with it?

Each individual who will choose sin and death and opposition to His will, just as a lesser version of Satan himself, was understood by YHWH to be needful to exist to the end that all sin might cease in every possible reality which could be initiated by Him.

Satan is judged according to the propagation of the sin he conceived. He is liable for each individual he has tempted and deceived. Satan receives the full recompense for what he is by the existence of those whom he will take down.

Sin is used to punish sin, and so not one thing is left as effectual to the enemy’s goals, but all things work together for the good of those who love YHWH.

We will all make our choices, which we will make freely, but each of those choices were inscribed on the stone tablet of reality before any of us came into being.

These choices were foreknown, not forced upon us.

We will not ultimately change anything which has been foreknown, and yet as we continue to make our choices, we align ourselves with the blessing of YHWH, or the curse of opposition against Him.

If we will do right, we have done right.

When the end of time itself comes and sin and those aligned with it are cast from His presence and the presence of the redeemed, a new creation will be come to be.

We will no longer exist within a temporal battleground, and not only will there be an ultimately pure and perfect creation, but all things which were, which might have been and which could be will have been dealt with, and laid aside forever.

Then What Is will not simply be free of sin, but free of the possibility of sin eternally.

Then He who sat on the throne said, “Behold! I make all things new.”

And He said to me, “Write, for these words are true and faithful.”

And He said to me, “It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End.

I will give of the fountain of the water of life freely to him who thirsts.

He who overcomes shall inherit all things and I will be his ‘Eloah and he shall be My son.”

– Revelation 21:5-7

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Of Serpent Seeds and Biased Doctrines: What is the Truth of It?

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The Shepherds Chapel… Christian Identity… Serpent Seed Doctrine. These concepts have attracted a lot of people in the recent years.

The greater familiarity with the Book of Enoch which has come about recently, has been piggybacked by theology like that of Arnold Murray and his brand of doctrine surrounding the intermingling of human and angelic kind.

The events concerning the nephilim and their fathers, the pre-flood history of the world as told in 1 Enoch, are subject matters which comprise a starting point to a solid thread of evidence throughout the canon.

There is certainly a great deal of discomfort involved for many Christians in coming to terms with the idea of human and angelic co-mingling, and of offspring of that sort of union.

All discomfort aside… the foundation of support for it is unyielding scripturally.

The pitfalls for those who come across this information in their early walks in faith, when their spiritual maturity has yet to develop, are certainly out there.

The Serpent Seed doctrine does an excellent job of filling a position of look-a-like theology with subject matters such as nephilim, but the root of this doctrine is very different and so too is the fruit it yields.

Understanding what went on before the flood, what many bible topics mean in light of it, and what the implications are for the end times greatly expands maturity in objective thinking and understanding of the biblical message on a wide scale.

The result is ultimately that you begin to understand Mercy for what it is… that there is no room for games of pride and racial “one-uping”… that grace encompasses all recipients of it, and that it is futile to debate the purity of one’s own family tree.

Accepting the Serpent Seed theory grows into the antithesis of all of this. Confusion is the foundation of it, and it breeds confusion in understanding the full message of scripture… it necessitates very creative interpretation of scripture to continually find ways of supporting it throughout.

The doctrine itself is not simply background information for those who hold it, but it is the axis on which their whole “faith” rests. It becomes of utmost concern to place oneself apart from those who are considered the literal offspring of Satan.

This group is always held to be one or more specific ethnic group, and the “true Israel” is held as being whatever racial group the adherent belongs to (for Murray followers… white).

The obvious hallmark of pride abounds… that this cult has factions in every ethnicity, only adjusting the claims of who belongs to the devil and who belongs to Israel is enough evidence to show that the beliefs held around the Serpent Seed doctrine are hinging on racism and produce fruit fit for the garbage pile.

The doctrine of the Serpent Seed says basically this… that Satan literally had sex with Eve, producing Cain… this was the original sin of mankind. That Cain’s descendants are still with us today… who they are will depend on the adherent of the doctrine you ask.

Murray-ites will say Jews, black and other “non-white” groups. Anglo-Saxon whites are presented as “true” Israel in the Murray school of thought, whereas other ethnic groups might be labeled as such in different versions of the same creed.

The outcome is a band-aid for an inferiority complex which bolsters ones self esteem by being a member of the “Real” Israel, with the justified ability to look down other ethnic groups.

The fact that angelic entities did arrive on earth, and did interbreed with humanity beginning in the days of Jared, seems to have not fit the bill for the purposes of the Cain Serpent Seed theory.

Perhaps that has a beginning in those who first pushed the theory itself. The Serpent Seed theology has it’s beginnings in gnosticism and kaballah, not Murray.

Both of these belief systems are ironically ones which Arnold Murray followers would deny.. yet there is the root of their central belief.

Kaballah is called a Jewish invention, but it is older than it’s Jewish application, and more resembles Babylon. Both of these belief systems, gnosticism and kaballah, are rooted in the corrupt teachings of the Watchers.

It would not behoove the agenda of the fallen Watchers or their students, ancient and modern, to instill a memory and understanding of how they corrupted the world physically or morally.

The Serpent Seed theory by necessity demands denial of a world-wide flood, which is very difficult to support throughout scripture. It demands negating and explaining away, in very convoluted ways, the simple statement of Eve… that she had gotten a son through the blessing of YHWH, and the very simple prelude of explanation about how she did: a normal marital union with Adam.

The worst blunder in this doctrine lies in the commandment concerning the tree of knowledge of good and evil. YHWH’s command was to leave that one tree alone, of all those in the garden… they were free to partake of the others.

If we must accept that the tree of knowledge of good and evil is representative of Satan, and taking it’s fruit is literally having sex with him… then what of the other trees?

Do Adam and Eve have licenses to fornicate with anything in the garden Other than Satan? What do we then make of the tree of Life?

The scene begins to degrade into a bizarre pornographic version of Paradise that I dare say we are not looking forward to as the future state of eternal perfection.

Satan has 10 lies to obscure everyone truth… and it is my hope that believers will not accept the things which “feel good” to believe, but rather judge them against evidence, against common sense and against simple desires to believe a certain way.

Judge all things in His Spirit and examine the fruit that beliefs produce. If those fruits do not resemble His nature… they are best dismissed accordingly, no matter how much you have grown to like them.

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Catholic Church has Some Explaining to Do

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Christianity has caught a real bad rap because of the Catholic church. We shouldn’t base our views on the bible on the actions of the Catholic Church. Sadly many people do associate the teachings of the scripture with the Catholic Church.

Is the Catholic Church really a bible based religion now? If it’s not, can we base our views of YHWH, and Yahushua on it? Let’s take a look and see weather or not the Catholic church is based on the bible…..

Exodus 28:41 – “You shall put them on Aaron your brother and on his sons with him; and you shall anoint them and ordain them and consecrate them, that they may serve Me as priests.”

It seems that scripture suggests that one must be a Levite, and a son of Aaron to be a priest. The first flaw I see in the Catholic Church is the fact that they have priests. Do these men claim to be descended from Aaron? No, they do not. So why do they call themselves priests then? Under what authority do they get the privilege to be supposed priests of YHWH?

Deuteronomy 4:16 – “so that you do not act corruptly and make a graven image for yourselves in the form of any figure, the likeness of male or female”

Mosaic law is clear concerning making images of deities, even YHWH. What human hand could even capture the glory of YHWH in a painting or statue? Solomon’s Temple only had images of angels, palm trees, and pomegranates. Why does the Catholic Church violate the rule against making images of the Creator?

Numbers 6:17 – “So they shall invoke My name (YHWH) on the sons of Israel, and I then will bless them.”

Psalms 86:12 – “I will give thanks to You, O YHWH my Elohim, with all my heart, And will glorify Your Name forever.”

Here is what the Catholic Church says about using His Name…

“Bishop Arthur J. Serratelli of Paterson, N.J., chairman of the U.S. bishops’ Committee on Divine Worship, announced the new Vatican “directives on the use of ‘the name of God’ in the sacred liturgy” in an Aug. 8 letter to his fellow bishops.” “Avoiding pronouncing the Tetragrammaton of the name of God on the part of the church has therefore its own grounds,” the letter said. “Apart from a motive of a purely philological order, there is also that of remaining faithful to the church’s tradition, from the beginning, that the sacred Tetragrammaton was never pronounced in the Christian context nor translated into any of the languages into which the Bible was translated.”

These decrees go against what scripture teaches.. consider Exodus 3:15, Exodus 9:16, Exodus 33:19, Leviticus 19:12, Numbers 6:17, 1 Kings 5:5, Psalms 86:12, Psalms 91:14, Psalms 103:1, Isaiah 42:8, Isaiah 52:6, Jeremiah 12:16, Jeremiah 15:16, Jeremiah 16:21, Jeremiah 23:27, Ezekiel 39:7, Zechariah 13:9, Matthew 24:9 , John 10:25, John 16:24, and Acts 4:12…

This is all just the very tip of the iceberg. We could go on for days with subjects like pagan holidays being incorporated into the Catholic Church, or the great wealth of the Vatican that could feed many starving Catholics.

The scripture warns about hoarding wealth. I would like for people to know that the RCC is not a bible based religion, and you shouldn’t base your ideas of Elohim, and the scripture on this establishment.

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Evolution : The Devil’s Hoax

Posted in 02 : The Truth Is Out There... with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , on 05/10/2010 by timenolonger

There are a few different types of evolution. Here, I am addressing Macroevolution – which is the changing of one kind of plant or animal into another kind of plant or animal.

Recently I have come across people who believe, for some reason, that evolution somehow disproves the existence of a Creator. This is clearly wrong for several reasons.

First off, evolution does not address the origins of life.

Atheistic evolutionists place their faith in the never-observed theory of abiogenesis – the theory non-life in certain conditions, given time, can produce life.

Secondly, there are many theists who claim to be Christian that believe in evolution. They call it “biogenesis” – a term coined by Dr. Francis Collins. They believe Elohim guided evolution.

So what is it about evolution then? Why is it dangerous if you can be a Christian and an evolutionist at the same time?

The problem with evolution is that it is a lie.

It is not true, and it is the backbone of the atheist world view. Without evolution atheism can’t stand.

Evolution was used in Nazi Germany to justify the crimes of Adolf Hitler to the German people, and it is used as a tool for racism today. White racists look at the tribal societies in Africa and South America and believe, because of their lack of technology, they are less evolved.

What is curious though, is that evolution is taught as a fact in schools. My tax dollars pay for children to learn the theory of evolution. Not a dime of my money goes to them learning about YHWH.

They teach this theory as if it was a fact. If it was a fact, then brilliant scientists like Dr. Wolfgang Smith, Dr. Fleishmann, and Dr. Ambrose Flemming (to name a few) would not argue it.

The truth is – the theory has many holes, and flaws, and respected scientists know this. Knowing this, they reject the theory. Let me quote Dr. Wolfgang smith…

“A growing number of respectable scientists are defecting from the evolutionist camp … moreover, for the most part these ‘experts’ have abandoned Darwinism, not on the basis of religious faith or biblical persuasions, but on scientific grounds, and in some instances, regretfully.”

This is true. Darwin himself didn’t even really buy it – as he is quoted here..

“As by this theory, innumerable transitional forms must have existed. Why do we not find them embedded in the crust of the earth? Why is not all nature in confusion of halfway species instead of being, as we see them, well-defined species?”

There are people who claim the theory of evolution was put together well before Darwin’s time. They claim the theory was put together by the devil, and given to Darwin. I don’t know.

I do know that the theory of evolution would not hold up in court. There isn’t enough evidence. There is however plenty of counter evidence, which I would be glad to provide upon request.

Evolution is useful to the devil on many levels, and that’s why it’s being pushed as fact. Bottom line, if it was such a hard fact – there would be no serious scientific opposition.

1 Enoch 104:10-13 – “idols; for all your lying and all your godlessness issue not in righteousness but in great sin. And now I know this mystery, that sinners will alter and pervert the words of righteousness in many ways, and will speak wicked words, and lie, and practice great deceits, and write books concerning their words.

But when they write down truthfully all my words in their languages, and do not change or minish ought from my words but write them all down truthfully -all that I first testified concerning them.

Then, I know another mystery, that books will be given to the righteous and the wise to become a cause of joy and uprightness and much wisdom.

And to them shall the books be given, and they shall believe in them and rejoice over them, and then shall all the righteous who have learnt therefrom all the paths of uprightness be recompensed.”

“Not one change of species into another is on record … we cannot prove that a single species has been changed.”
(Charles Darwin, My Life & Letters)

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A Duty to Disobey?

Posted in 07 : The Ruling Controllers with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , on 05/08/2010 by timenolonger

Obedience, and the yielding of our will to our Creator and to those He puts in authority above us, are important points made in many places in scripture.

Perhaps the majority of believers are not ignorant of the fact that we are called to be servants, and to behave as such. Without question, it is not justified that we ever rebel against Him, or what He asks of us.

Is there a time when it is appropriate in His eyes to be a rebel though?

Children are not to be rebels against their parents, nor are youths to rebel against their elders – but what do we do when it comes to a national leader and a government that practices evil?

Not long ago I read an article by a pastor who addressed the recent passing of the socialized healthcare.

He questioned to those reading – should believers refuse to pay for mandatory health care, or taxes which provide for it, if those funds would be used to pay for abortions?

His answer to his own question gave me a sick feeling.

He answered that it is a believer’s duty to pay taxes and submit to mandatory healthcare anyway, and that believers are not obligated to refuse, because it is a government mandate.

Believers are to be in submission to their government, he said.

Perhaps the prophet Daniel would disagree with him. Daniel was ordered to bow before an idol by the king, but he preferred to be thrown into an oven rather than submit to the evil command of the ruler of the land.

If today’s believers really see abortion as something they can support because government mandated it, i wonder if these same might bow before any other idol which they are commanded to as well.

Can we say it is better to submit to government no matter what – rather than stand for what is right no matter what?

If a government agent should come to a believer’s door with a young pregnant woman, and demand that believer pay for her abortion or be in violation of federal law – would that make this situation different?

All know what a risk it is to take to decide to defy the federal income tax system, or to defy anything which the government holds as being mandatory, even if it is an illegal mandate.

Perhaps it is likely that fear has quite a bit to do with why many have trouble thinking about these things in the way that the Creator might view them.

He does not want us to be in fear of anyone but Him, and perhaps we do not have to guess what He feels about abortion in general.

The healthcare issue has not been the only, and will not be the last, law or mandate by government that will try to force His people to choose between doing what is right or doing what government wishes.

Perhaps people should even ask themselves what it means when they give in to what they consider small invasions – like cameras in bathrooms and scanners which take pictures of naked bodies.

It is not always about what inconvenience it seems to be to you, it is about how every person willing to comply with such things only makes it easier for these measures to become worse, and enforced more brutally upon your countrymen.

It seems to me, when there are so many who will not take the small steps of refusing to obey what evil commands them to do, that there must surely be a multitude who would not be willing to refuse Antichrist when it means their lives.

I am surely not someone in favor of an armed rebellion, or violence which is not immediately related to defending one’s own life or the life of someone else, but don’t people, at times, have a duty to disobey?

Maybe i have no good answers for those out there who feel that they are not able to get themselves away from a system on which they depend and their families depend, but perhaps this is the time to think about these things and seek His answer.

We all must leave Babylon in some time and in some way, yes? Either by small steps or by a great leap of faith.

I do know this though – He is sufficient for all things in all situations.

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Who Dies for a Lie?

Posted in 01 : The Chief Cornerstone with tags , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , , on 05/08/2010 by timenolonger

Its interesting to ponder how many rich and powerful rulers through the ages have claimed to be “gods” – but they are lucky to be remembered at all in this day and age.

Acts 5: 34 – 39 – “But a Pharisee named Gamaliel, a teacher of the Law, respected by all the people, stood up in the Council and gave orders to put the men outside for a short time.

And he said to them, Men of Israel, take care what you propose to do with these men. For some time ago Theudas rose up, claiming to be somebody, and a group of about four hundred men joined up with him.

But he was killed, and all who followed him were dispersed and came to nothing. After this man, Judas of Galilee rose up in the days of the census and drew away some people after him. He too perished, and all those who followed him were scattered.

So in the present case, I say to you, stay away from these men and let them alone, for if this plan or action is of men, it will be overthrown, but if it is of Elohim, you will not be able to overthrow them, or else you may even be found fighting against Elohim.”

The practice of deifying kings and emperors was pretty common in the ancient east, and to a lesser extent was practiced by the ancient Romans.

All the Egyptian pharaohs were supposed to be divine, but how many pharaohs can be named by the average person?

Its curious that none of these men are worshiped today by the vast majority of people (maybe there are still some who go to the forest and light candles for king Tut).

Yet polls suggest that 33% of the world worship Yahushua as Elohim two thousand years after His death.

Yahushua to many was a poor carpenter’s son born in an obscure part of Roman Palestine, and not Elohim Incarnate.

Some people will reason that He was a great teacher, but not Elohim.

I think C.S Lewis puts this theory to rest in these words….

“I am trying here to prevent anyone saying the really foolish thing that people often say about Him: ‘I’m ready to accept Jesus as a great moral teacher, but I don’t accept his claim to be God.’

That is the one thing we must not say. A man who was merely a man and said the sort of things Jesus said would not be a great moral teacher. He would either be a lunatic — on the level with the man who says he is a poached egg — or else he would be the Devil of Hell.

You must make your choice. Either this man was, and is, the Son of God, or else a madman or something worse.

You can shut him up for a fool, you can spit at him and kill him as a demon or you can fall at his feet and call him Lord and God, but let us not come with any patronizing nonsense about his being a great human teacher.

He has not left that open to us. He did not intend to.”

So if He can’t be a great moral teacher, He either has to be who He claims to be, or He is lying or insane.

The problem is, He is worshiped still.

On top of that, He didn’t have the resources other people who claimed to be divine had. What He did have was truth though.

Truth can’t be hidden.

Many people died testifying that Yahushua is Elohim. Many of these people could have had their lives spared if they simply renounced what they preached.

These men chose death. The reason being – they knew they were dying for the truth.

We modern believers can feel His spirit, and our own souls testify to His truths.

Who would die for a lie?

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